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Z REF Mon Nov 04, 2002 01:48pm

The concept is similar to the three man mechanic. The T never crosses the court during live ball action. The L may opt to rotate over to the strong side to get a better angle for post play and entry plays coming into their primary.

In this manner, you are able to help with off ball picks, swim moves and cutters in the paint. It's more difficult to see these plays if you are looking through the players with the defense generally in front of you.

Warning: If you do this remember three things.

1. Make sure you pre-game this and your partner is
experienced enough to "handle" the rotation. Other-
wise, you may find him "rotating" with you to main-
tain the box.
2. When you rotate, remember that the opposite side-
line is still yours, and that you have to rotate
back over in transition.
3. Don't bother rotating if all you're going to do is go
get a better look at the ball handler in T's primary.
:o)

Tim Roden Tue Nov 05, 2002 05:03am

The way I like to think of it is having a rubber band around your waste. You may rotate over but you know at some point you must rotate back.

ChuckElias Tue Nov 05, 2002 09:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by Tim Roden
The way I like to think of it is having a rubber band around your waste.
I prefer to keep the rubber band around my waist. I hate dragging my trash around with me all game :D

Chuck

(Sorry, Tim!! That was a cheapie. LOL)

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:10am

I reworked my thought process in the two-man game a couple weeks ago.

I was trail on right side with 7 players, and my partner came over. He properly squared up on the lane to observe the post play.

I had A1 dribble down the sideline, to the end line, while being defended by B1.
As A1 turned toward the basket, about 4' on my partner's left, B1 bumped A1 causing A1 to step on the end line.

"Tweet!"

My partner called and out-of-bounds violation.

<u>The Problem</u>: I gave up the play to my partner, as I would do in a three-whistle, but the play was in my primary, and my partner was "on" his primary.
I should have taken the play deeper until I knew my partner was on it. There was no way he could have seen the bump peripherally while being squared-up on the lane.

mick
<hr> Too soon old... too late smart.




ChuckElias Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:17am

mick, seems to me that if your partner is ball side but not officiating the ball that you need to stay on the ballhandler. The fact that the L is ball side doesn't necessarily mean he's leaving his off-ball responsibilities. I'm sure you know that, tho. It's important for the T (or the C, in 3-man) to continue to officiate the ball until the L has "accepted" the play. That means the L is in position and is officiating the ball.

Preaching to the choir, I know. . . :)

Chuck

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:35am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
mick, seems to me that if your partner is ball side but not officiating the ball that you need to stay on the ballhandler. The fact that the L is ball side doesn't necessarily mean he's leaving his off-ball responsibilities. I'm sure you know that, tho. It's important for the T (or the C, in 3-man) to continue to officiate the ball until the L has "accepted" the play. That means the L is in position and is officiating the ball.


Chuck,
YU.P.!

Now that brings up the point of "When does our partner own the ball?"

Some oficials turn their torsos directly at the ball.
Other officials put an open hand on their chest.
There are probably other mechanics employed.

It is obviously important to be aware of your partner and the ball in these instances in order to avoid confusion.

mick

JRutledge Tue Nov 05, 2002 11:38am

Mick
 
According to the mechanics book, it was changed that the Trail would have all ball when it is on his side. I do not think going ball side as the Lead changes this. But who knows?

Peace

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 11:58am

Re: Mick
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
According to the mechanics book, it was changed that the Trail would have all ball when it is on his side. I do not think going ball side as the Lead changes this. But who knows?

Peace

Yeah, Rut.
I just instinctively gave it.
The wrong call ... it was all me.
I am not sure that two-man mechanics addresses strong-side, but it may.
mick

AK ref SE Tue Nov 05, 2002 02:12pm

Mick-
Just thinking back to another post on when time was running out, one of the mechanics that was stated "putting the hand on chest" to let your partner know that time was winding down. I know this should be covered in a pre-game with your partner(s). I know it also maybe different from association, or region, or even state.

AK ref SE

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 02:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by AK ref SE
Mick-
Just thinking back to another post on when time was running out, one of the mechanics that was stated "putting the hand on chest" to let your partner know that time was winding down. I know this should be covered in a pre-game with your partner(s). I know it also maybe different from association, or region, or even state.

AK ref SE

AK ref SE,
YU.P., ...that's the signal we use for last shot responsibility so one guy isn't counting a basket and the other isn't waving it off.

All these little nuances of pointing and body language can make a difference in how a crew appears. Few of them are in the rules; few are in a test.
What we pre-game is our <b><i>Presence</b></i>. ;)

mick


JRutledge Tue Nov 05, 2002 03:18pm

The one and only!!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick


AK ref SE,
YU.P., ...that's the signal we use for last shot responsibility so one guy isn't counting a basket and the other isn't waving it off.

All these little nuances of pointing and body language can make a difference in how a crew appears. Few of them are in the rules; few are in a test.
What we pre-game is our <b><i>Presence</b></i>. ;)

mick



You are one of a kind. ;)

Dan_ref Tue Nov 05, 2002 03:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by AK ref SE
Mick-
Just thinking back to another post on when time was running out, one of the mechanics that was stated "putting the hand on chest" to let your partner know that time was winding down. I know this should be covered in a pre-game with your partner(s). I know it also maybe different from association, or region, or even state.

AK ref SE

AK ref SE,
YU.P., ...that's the signal we use for last shot responsibility so one guy isn't counting a basket and the other isn't waving it off.

All these little nuances of pointing and body language can make a difference in how a crew appears. Few of them are in the rules; few are in a test.
What we pre-game is our <b><i>Presence</b></i>. ;)

mick


Presents? A partner once offered me $20 to just go home during a pregame...does that count as a present?

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Presents? A partner once offered me $20 to just go home during a pregame...does that count as a present?

Yeah. Rrrrrriiiiight!
Like you have a partner that had $20 bucks.

Dan_ref Tue Nov 05, 2002 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Presents? A partner once offered me $20 to just go home during a pregame...does that count as a present?

Yeah. Rrrrrriiiiight!
Like you have a partner that had $20 bucks.

well, he took up a collection...2 coaches, 3 table people,
4 bucks each, he just had to make the offer and carry the
money. I found out later I was supposed to get $25....
boy was I :mad:


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