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Mark Dexter Thu Oct 31, 2002 06:02pm

Re: Shirts in and shorts above the hips
 
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Originally posted by Mregor
At our local rules meeting, they emphasized the shirts and shorts issue. They stated that if you see underwear (boxers) during the game, it is an automatic technical. The reason was that during the pregame, the coach certifies that his player are properly equiped.
Just one problem with this one. It's fine for an association to have an automatic 'T' if the undergarments are showing (It could be unsportsmanlike conduct), but the justification is not appropriate. 2.4.5 states that there should be no penalty to a player or the coach, even though there is certification that the players are properly equipped.

PAULK1 Thu Oct 31, 2002 06:52pm

We were given pretty strict guideance at the state clinic this year. The first words out of the State Comm. were
"PULL YOUR PANTS UP AND TUCK YOUR SHIRT IN" which he repeated 5 times. If they don't comply they sit, if they are
at the table waiting to come in an not in compliance they stay at the table and if you tell them and they tuck and then pull out over the waist band they sit. It will be interesting to see how long it will last.

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 31, 2002 08:10pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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So compared to you who does not qualify as a kid? Walter Mondale? Frank Lautenburgh? Moses? :p

[/B][/QUOTE]People who have holes in their haircuts don't qualify as kids,Dan'l!!

I'm still a kid! :D

How 'bout you? :confused:

Dan_ref Thu Oct 31, 2002 09:10pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

So compared to you who does not qualify as a kid? Walter Mondale? Frank Lautenburgh? Moses? :p

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People who have holes in their haircuts don't qualify as kids,Dan'l!!

I'm still a kid! :D

How 'bout you? :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]

Me? I'm a puppy. But my head gets very cold in the winter,
very sunburned in the summer. ;)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:25pm

Re: Re: Shirts in and shorts above the hips
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Mregor
At our local rules meeting, they emphasized the shirts and shorts issue. They stated that if you see underwear (boxers) during the game, it is an automatic technical. The reason was that during the pregame, the coach certifies that his player are properly equiped.
Just one problem with this one. It's fine for an association to have an automatic 'T' if the undergarments are showing (It could be unsportsmanlike conduct), but the justification is not appropriate. 2.4.5 states that there should be no penalty to a player or the coach, even though there is certification that the players are properly equipped.


Mark, your posting beat me to it. But I don't think that any local association can impose an automatic "T" for undergarments that are showing. Just remove the player from the game.

RecRef Fri Nov 01, 2002 11:05am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by rgaudreau
Is there an actual rule reference for this?
Are you serious?

If you are,see NFHS R3-4-15.

:( Problem is that R3-4-15 leaves much to be desired. In stating that a team jersey “designed” to be worn inside the pants/skirt...
Now what does designed to be worn mean? A jersey with tails, I would say it must be in. What about one with a rounded bottom like a T-shirt Or a pullover type shirt?

I wish the rule would just say, “All shirts must be worn inside...

Mark Dexter Fri Nov 01, 2002 02:46pm

Re: Re: Re: Shirts in and shorts above the hips
 
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark, your posting beat me to it. But I don't think that any local association can impose an automatic "T" for undergarments that are showing. Just remove the player from the game.

I don't agree that they should, but an association could certainly interpret the unsportsmanlike conduct definition to include showed undergarments.

rainmaker Sat Nov 02, 2002 11:51am

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Originally posted by RecRef
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by rgaudreau
Is there an actual rule reference for this?
Are you serious?

If you are,see NFHS R3-4-15.

:( Problem is that R3-4-15 leaves much to be desired. In stating that a team jersey “designed” to be worn inside the pants/skirt...
Now what does designed to be worn mean? A jersey with tails, I would say it must be in. What about one with a rounded bottom like a T-shirt Or a pullover type shirt?

I wish the rule would just say, “All shirts must be worn inside...

There are women's (or girls) uniforms that are shorter, and have a band around the bottom, rather than just a hem. These are "designed to be worn out", and are legal as such. I haven't seen a lot of them, but they are out there.

When a kid askes why the tucked-in rule, I tell about a play I saw in a Blazer game (true story!). The dribbler, who was moving quickly across the top of the key, had his shirt all the way out, the defender was between the ball and the basket and moving parallel to the dribbler, waving his arms. At one point the defender's finger got caught, probably inadvertently, in the hem of the dribbler's shirt. The dribbler was held back, tripped over his own feet, lost the ball and nearly fell. The ref never even flinched. Other team got the ball, and break-fasted, I mean fast-breaked, for an easy lay-up. The ref explained to the coach (I'm assuming) and amazingly shirts stayed tucked in for the rest of that game! Kids listen to this and I never have a problem.


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