At what point do you engage/remove an obnoxious fan?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How is Patel both a common last name by your own admission and an insult?

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

Except those terms aren't last names for the respective ethnicities you mentioned. No one is confusing that. If I heard a fan in the crowd call someone those terms, they'd be gone.

[RobbyinTN]

I have never head Patel used as a derogatory term but I have heard people of middle eastern heritage called "Sand N*gger". If I heard that on the court or in the stands I would not tolerate it under any circumstances. It is ignorant and classless.

There is a school I officiate at semi-regularly that has a Indian (form India) on the team - I have never heard anything derogatory said to him or about him though.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

I have never head Patel used as a derogatory term but I have heard people of middle eastern heritage called "Sand N*gger". If I heard that on the court or in the stands I would not tolerate it under any circumstances. It is ignorant and classless.

There is a school I officiate at semi-regularly that has a Indian (form India) on the team - I have never heard anything derogatory said to him or about him though.

I have heard that term before...that's a one way ticket out of the gym/flagrant T.

[JRutledge]

Unless you are a racial minority or someone outside of the normal community, these things should not be dismissed. I completely understand the point that is being made by the usage of a name and the way it was done. People do not have to use derogatory names to have a racial, ethnic or even religious tone to them. Just the story sounds like there was an attempt to humiliate or point out the person's racial background. And I have no problem for this action to be taken by Stiffler on this matter and I would take a similar action. Been in enough situations where things are said in ways that make it clear they are trying to make a racial point. I am sure most here are not either privy to those situations or even know how to recognize them when they are taking place.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless you are a racial minority or someone outside of the normal community, these things should not be dismissed. I completely understand the point that is being made by the usage of a name and the way it was done. People do not have to use derogatory names to have a racial, ethnic or even religious tone to them. Just the story sounds like there was an attempt to humiliate or point out the person's racial background. And I have no problem for this action to be taken by Stiffler on this matter and I would take a similar action. Been in enough situations where things are said in ways that make it clear they are trying to make a racial point. I am sure most here are not either privy to those situations or even know how to recognize them when they are taking place.

Peace

Interesting, thanks for the perspetive, Jeff. I'll just re-state that it would have to be glaringly obvious before I'd address it. No way I'm kicking a fan out on a hunch.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting, thanks for the perspetive, Jeff. I'll just re-state that it would have to be glaringly obvious before I'd address it. No way I'm kicking a fan out on a hunch.

What is obvious to one person, the other person might be oblivious to.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I completely understand the point that is being made by the usage of a name and the way it was done.
Peace

I understand using a generic name such as calling an Hispanic "Juan" when their name is not known but how is it racially motivated to use the person's name?

And what if I am "somewhat" minority?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

And what if I am "somewhat" minority?

LOL, not in Texas you're not.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

Maybe there is some hidden meaning to "Patel" that I am not aware of but I would not equate a name with a slur such as one of the ones above.

With apologies to Freddy, no need to be a plumber here.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

I've never heard Patel used this way - but admittedly I've never lived in an area with much, if any, Indian population. However, I can see the point you're making - if you are saying it would be like someone using something like "Paco" to refer to a Hispanic player.

In any of these cases I'd have to be certain it was being done in a racial way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I've never heard Patel used this way - but admittedly I've never lived in an area with much, if any, Indian population. However, I can see the point you're making - if you are saying it would be like someone using something like "Paco" to refer to a Hispanic player.

In any of these cases I'd have to be certain it was being done in a racial way.

I'm starting to get the reference (no, I've never heard it; must be a regional thing), but I've never heard common names used as racial slurs like this. Well, I have heard folks use "Hajji" used to reference middle eastern muslims; but that's not a name so much as a title from what I understand.

If, as you say, it's a common slur in your area, I would still need to be sure it wasn't her name before I'd even think about it. Not the other way around as you suggested. Benefit of the doubt goes to the person making the statement here, IMO.