At what point do you engage/remove an obnoxious fan?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Well, Patel is a common Indian/Middle Eastern last name, and I've heard it used quite a bit in a derogatory sense. So like I said, if I didn't know that her name was, in fact, Patel, I probably would have taken it in a derogatory sense, which has no place in HS basketball. I think we can all agree on that.

Huh?????

[APG]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Huh?????

I'm with fullor...say what?

[stiffler3492]

You guys have never heard Patel used as an insult?

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

You guys have never heard Patel used as an insult?

How is Patel both a common last name by your own admission and an insult?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How is Patel both a common last name by your own admission and an insult?

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

Except those terms aren't last names for the respective ethnicities you mentioned. No one is confusing that. If I heard a fan in the crowd call someone those terms, they'd be gone.

[RobbyinTN]

I have never head Patel used as a derogatory term but I have heard people of middle eastern heritage called "Sand N*gger". If I heard that on the court or in the stands I would not tolerate it under any circumstances. It is ignorant and classless.

There is a school I officiate at semi-regularly that has a Indian (form India) on the team - I have never heard anything derogatory said to him or about him though.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

Maybe there is some hidden meaning to "Patel" that I am not aware of but I would not equate a name with a slur such as one of the ones above.

With apologies to Freddy, no need to be a plumber here.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I take it along the same lines as calling a Mexican guy a beaner or an Italian guy a greaseball.

Racially derogatory terms. The way I've heard "Patel" used, it's almost never in a nice way.

I've never heard Patel used this way - but admittedly I've never lived in an area with much, if any, Indian population. However, I can see the point you're making - if you are saying it would be like someone using something like "Paco" to refer to a Hispanic player.

In any of these cases I'd have to be certain it was being done in a racial way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I've never heard Patel used this way - but admittedly I've never lived in an area with much, if any, Indian population. However, I can see the point you're making - if you are saying it would be like someone using something like "Paco" to refer to a Hispanic player.

In any of these cases I'd have to be certain it was being done in a racial way.

I'm starting to get the reference (no, I've never heard it; must be a regional thing), but I've never heard common names used as racial slurs like this. Well, I have heard folks use "Hajji" used to reference middle eastern muslims; but that's not a name so much as a title from what I understand.

If, as you say, it's a common slur in your area, I would still need to be sure it wasn't her name before I'd even think about it. Not the other way around as you suggested. Benefit of the doubt goes to the person making the statement here, IMO.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

You guys have never heard Patel used as an insult?

No, but I don't hang out with people who use racial insults on a regular basis. Frankly, I've never heard a racial slur on a basketball court, either.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, but I don't hang out with people who use racial insults on a regular basis. Frankly, I've never heard a racial slur on a basketball court, either.

You must not have played at the same parks I played at growing up. Of course, I am not sure you could categorize them as racial slurs so much as trash talk. I have had more then a few fans removed for racial stuff. If you let that go, you are only ASKING for trouble. I had one school admin who wouldn't remove the fan but just wanted to stand next to them b/c he was worried they may meet harm in the parking lot. My response was that I can stand here and hold the ball all night until he and his friends leave, or you can have the sheriff escort them to their cars. Johnny Law won that round!

[chseagle]

What happened to the idea of an interscholastic contest is an extension of the classroom?

What's not allowed to be said in the classroom is not supposed to be allowed on the court/field.

How hard is that to understand.

Most leagues &/or state associations have as part of their fan code of conduct/ethics, wording that states "Exercise self control and permit only POSITIVE sportsmanlike behavior - Don't accept swearing or negative comments about players or coaches in your rooting section!", which should be universally enforced.

Ironically, some negative comments include: you suck, airball, any my mother/family relation comments, & other such comments/sayings that are meant to belittle a person/persons.