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Andy Thu Jan 27, 2011 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 722346)
Some of the newer ones haven't seen coach Knight coach. My guess is they're modeling themselves after that one guy from Duke.

Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

Adam Thu Jan 27, 2011 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 722350)
Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

Explains a lot, don't it?

JRutledge Thu Jan 27, 2011 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 722355)
Explains a lot, don't it?

Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not.

Peace

Adam Thu Jan 27, 2011 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 722357)
Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not. Peace

This is true. And I found it to be among his more endearing qualities.

JRutledge Thu Jan 27, 2011 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 722363)
This is true. And I found it to be among his more endearing qualities.

I also agree which is why I was always a fan.

That also being said, I know many D1 officials that said they loved working his games. And stated that he was usually more knowledgeable about rules than most coaches and he was fair to them as opposed to other coaches around the country.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 27, 2011 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 722357)
Not when you see the antics of many coaches. Coach Knight was just successful, there are other coaches that are a lot worse and not as public. Again Coach K often gets a pass because he is engaging in interviews with the media. Coach Knight just did not give a rats behind if the media liked him or not.

It's true, it's true.....

Rich Thu Jan 27, 2011 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 722310)
In our area coaches at the lower level get away with murder because we don't police them. We also have officials not enforce certain rules because it is a "lower level" games.

You mean like the "no coaching box at lower level" rule?

Butterfly182310 Thu Jan 27, 2011 03:33pm

Out of control coaches and out of control parents have the same thing in common...experience, or the lack thereof. I've found young parents of younger players to be, in general, far more boisterous than the older parents of older players. Same for coaches. Most get it figured out after they've gotten a few years under their belts...but not all of them.

Judtech Thu Jan 27, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 722350)
Him too......(but wasn't the Duke guy a Knight protoge`?)

You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

Adam Thu Jan 27, 2011 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 722458)
You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

I'm only guessing here, but how much of that has to do with fear?

APG Fri Jan 28, 2011 01:37am

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 722458)
You do realize Knight finished at the bottom of the Big 10 in T"s received every year? Coach K finishes near the bottom of the ACC?
But MAN were those Knight blow ups memorable.

College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

TimTaylor Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:14am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 722281)
Because we let them...

Got it in one!

As the saying goes, what you permit, you promote.

JRutledge Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:20am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 722570)
College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

I do not know about that. I think college coaches are more intelligent about what they complain about and often are stopped in their tracks by know knowledgeable officials. I have never had a college coach say the things to me that a high school coach says. And all the cursing I see high school coaches do and no one does anything I doubt that.

Also I not too long ago saw some tape of NBA officials interactions with NBA coaches and players, the language is much more direct from officials and do not allow a lot of the crap to go on that I see many high school and college officials get away.

Peace

doubleringer Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:24am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 722570)
College coaches at the D-I level in general get away with a lot. I think at lot more than at any other level. If they tried pulling what they did at the NBA or high school level, there would be more technicals handed out IMO.

Just for curiosity's sake, when I deal with college coaches I do tend to give them a little more rope as far as complaining. I somewhere picked up the philosophy that these guys are coaching as a job, to put food on their table, not an extra paycheck they are picking up like high school coaches. To me, the college and especially pro game is more about competition. High school athletics is an extension of the classroom where they learn skills to deal with situations that come up in life as an adult.

Any thoughts on this philosophy?

Oh, and my thoughts on technicals in the pro game... they found they were losing fans because of the unsporting attitudes of their players so they fixed it. That, to me, is the only reason they made the change. It's all about $ in the pros.

doubleringer Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:25am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 722720)
I do not know about that. I think college coaches are more intelligent about what they complain about and often are stopped in their tracks by know knowledgeable officials. I have never had a college coach say the things to me that a high school coach says. And all the cursing I see high school coaches do and no one does anything I doubt that.

Peace

I agree with this statement 100%.


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