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Jesse James Wed Jan 26, 2011 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 721897)
OK fair point on home vs. away but then how many officials are really going to be looking to take constructive criticism from a coach during a game? Does not seem to be very effective in my view.

Please. While it's no guarantee, I'd hope some of those crew members would go home and read their case book when he was adamant about where his players could stand on the technical free throws.

How many of them would if he never said a peep?

Welpe Wed Jan 26, 2011 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 721908)
Please. While it's no guarantee, I'd hope some of those crew members would go home and read their case book when he was adamant about where his players could stand on the technical free throws.

How many of them would if he never said a peep?

And how many more of them would if he approached it in a less confrontational manner?

Jesse James Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 721914)
And how many more of them would if he approached it in a less confrontational manner?

Less

Welpe Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:03pm

So you're saying people are more receptive to criticism when they are being put on the defensive than when they are not?

Interesting.

Adam Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 721919)
So you're saying people are more receptive to criticism when they are being put on the defensive than when they are not?

Interesting.

I think he's saying they're more likely to pay attention when they're forced to.

Jesse James Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 721919)
So you're saying people are more receptive to criticism when they are being put on the defensive than when they are not?

Interesting.

I'm saying they're much more apt to check their facts (in this case, the rule book) if someone else is adamant they are wrong, rather than being milquetoast about it. I'm sorry, but a weak-livered, "well, I don't know about that" probably won't engage any extra rule study.

Helps if the coach hasn't *****ed all night over stoopid stuff too.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 721883)
Well, in at least one, he's money ahead to do what he did.

Well, another one that thinks Judtech's actions were OK.

And another one I don't have to discuss it with any further either except to repeat that it's despicable imo.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:18pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 721933)
I'm saying they're much more apt to check their facts (in this case, the rule book) if someone else is adamant they are wrong, rather than being milquetoast about it. I'm sorry, but a weak-livered, "well, I don't know about that" probably won't engage any extra rule study.

Helps if the coach hasn't *****ed all night over stoopid stuff too.

Appears from the OP, that there was a non-stop barrage. Whether right or wrong, nobody listens to a jerk.

RookieDude Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 721887)
Would anyone respect any coach that came here and made a post like the OP, gloating about how they intimidated and showed up some obviously weak officials while gaining an unfair advantage like icing the shooter at the same time?
JMO

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.:mad:

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.:rolleyes:

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 721942)
You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.:mad:

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.:rolleyes:

Maybe she got a scholarship as well. Wonder if that exam I posted a couple days ago is the same one used back in the day?

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 721935)
Well, another one that thinks Judtech's actions were OK.

And another one I don't have to discuss it with any further either except to repeat that it's despicable imo.

Can someone have more than one screen name?

Rich Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 721942)
P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.:rolleyes:

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

chartrusepengui Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:45pm

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Originally Posted by richmsn (Post 721957)
look, i'm just as happy to see this a$$. Coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and i find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

+1

doubleringer Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 721862)
Great soap box to be on. I see where you are coming from in your post now. If I may, I would LOVE to share an exchange our team had, I will try (and fail) to make it brief. We only have 3 rules on our team, one of which is "Control what you can control" During our practice meeting one of the players said "Yeah coach you violated Rule #2. Like you always say, you can't control what the official does, but you can control how you respond to it. SO since you broke a rule we have to bench you!" Then it occured to them that since I already am on the bench it wasn't that big a deal, so they thought I should run!!!:eek: I told them that since THEY followed rule #2 and I didn't I would give them a 5 Sprint credit they could use any time in practice!!! Kids, just when you think they don't pay attention!

Great story. Nothing like owning up to a mistake yourself to teach students. Good job of taking a bad situation and using it for a learning experience.

Jesse James Wed Jan 26, 2011 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 721937)
Appears from the OP, that there was a non-stop barrage. Whether right or wrong, nobody listens to a jerk.

Apparently in the OP, they did listen to the jerk. According to him, the girls stayed just behind the 3-point line on the technical shots. Without penalty.


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