Roughest game in years

[Mark Padgett]

Yesterday, I did three rec games, all varsity. The middle one was the roughest I have had in years.

Q2 - A1 is driving to the hoop, B1 runs over and they bonk. In football, this would have been a "helmet to helmet" penalty. A1 falls down hard - so does B1. B1 is bleeding from the nose and it appears B1 has a broken nose. The bone looks crooked. B1 leaves to go to the hospital. A1 rests for a while with an icepack.

Q3 - Teammates B2 and B3 collide while going for a loose ball. Again, heads are bonked. B2 passes out momentarily and eventually goes to the hospital. B3 is out for the game with a bunch of icepacks on the head.

Q4 - B4 driving to the hoop, is punched (not pushed) from behind in the back of the shoulders by A2. Flagrant foul with ejection. Since there was only about 90 seconds to go and the spread was over 20, my partner and I called the game right there.

Now - here's the kicker - it was a GIRLS game!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett


Now - here's the kicker - it was a GIRLS game!!!

And this suprises yooouuuu.......because?

Peace

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Yesterday, I did three rec games, all varsity. The middle one was the roughest I have had in years.

Q2 - A1 is driving to the hoop, B1 runs over and they bonk.

Q3 - Teammates B2 and B3 collide while going for a loose ball.

Q4 - B4 driving to the hoop, is punched (not pushed) from behind in the back of the shoulders by A2.

Now - here's the kicker - it was a GIRLS game!!!

Mark,
Do you ever feel obliged to help the players when an injury occurs?
I specifically remain a polite distance away.
mick

[DrakeM]

Mark,
Nice job in the third game of calling the game.
Sometimes that's the only thing to be done.
No sense in finishing,things clearly out of hand, no chacne for team behind to win, game over!
Did you catch any flack for calling it?
If you did, I hope you told them where to stick it!
(just kidding)

[Tim Roden]

Better you than me, dude. Any of the head to heads did you declare the players inelgible without a doctors note? I hurt just thinking about games like this.

[renoref]

In sitch Q4,how is this reported to the table? What are the mechanics ?

[Refneck]

I would have known it was a girl's game without you even telling me.

Man, I can't wait until boy's season.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by renoref
In sitch Q4,how is this reported to the table? What are the mechanics ?

Not having seen the play but if what I think occurred did –

There is no one specific signal. I view this as a, personal, intentional, flagrant foul. So after giving the color, number, I would verbalize the intentional part while giving the crossed arms above the head. Next comes the non-official flagrant signal and verbalization that I use. Point to the player and then point to the table while saying “Number 23 is ejected from the game for as the foul was flagrant.”

[Mark Padgett]

Here's some replies to questions:

No, we didn't get any flak from either coach for calling the game. I think they were both glad to just get it over with.

When the flagrant foul occurred, I signaled the foul with a raised fist, then made the "unofficial" signal of ejection the same way an umpire throws out a manager. I reported to the table like this:

"White, 32", then I gave the illegal use of hands signal, then "the foul is flagrant and she is ejected. Red 14 will have two shots and the ball at the closest spot to the foul."

I then turned to my partner and we began the short discussion on calling the game.

[rainmaker]

Aren't you glad it wasn't a PBOA game with the twenty pages of reports you'd have had to file?!?!?

[Andy]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Yesterday, I did three rec games, all varsity. The middle one was the roughest I have had in years.

Q2 - A1 is driving to the hoop, B1 runs over and they bonk. In football, this would have been a "helmet to helmet" penalty. A1 falls down hard - so does B1. B1 is bleeding from the nose and it appears B1 has a broken nose. The bone looks crooked. B1 leaves to go to the hospital. A1 rests for a while with an icepack.

Q3 - Teammates B2 and B3 collide while going for a loose ball. Again, heads are bonked. B2 passes out momentarily and eventually goes to the hospital. B3 is out for the game with a bunch of icepacks on the head.

Q4 - B4 driving to the hoop, is punched (not pushed) from behind in the back of the shoulders by A2. Flagrant foul with ejection. Since there was only about 90 seconds to go and the spread was over 20, my partner and I called the game right there.

Now - here's the kicker - it was a GIRLS game!!!

"What is the matter with you?"

"Why didn't you get control of this game?!?"

"People start getting hurt when the officials don't have control of the game."

Just out of curiosity, how many of these comments did you hear?

[DownTownTonyBrown]

I might agree that you allowed the game to become out-of-control but not sure of the overall tone of the game. Was it really out-of-hand? Collisions can happen unexpectedly - maybe even more than one per game such as reported for Q2 and Q3. Especially true for girls and even more so during a hard fought game.

Punching someone is a festering problem of built-up anger that you might have seen coming or even allowed to fester by not calling enough fouls (among other tactics). Perhaps the incidental collisions of Q2 & Q3 created the frustration?

The official is not always responsible for the tone of the game. Coaches have a greater stake in player control - players are often willing to answer to, and be respectful, a coach and yet be completely resentful of an official.

[mick]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown

The official is not always responsible for the tone of the game. Coaches have a greater stake in player control - players are often willing to answer to, and be respectful, a coach and yet be completely resentful of an official.

DownTown,
Letting a game get outa control just doesn't fit my picture of Padgett.
And though some festering may happen on the court, that stuff comes from home.
mick

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by mick

DownTown,
Letting a game get outa control just doesn't fit my picture of Padgett.
And though some festering may happen on the court, that stuff comes from home.
mick

The only thing out of control in Padgett's games is Padgett, he goes wild every now and then when he is low in Davisms and has to re-enact one.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by RecRef
There is no one specific signal. I view this as a, personal, intentional, flagrant foul.

No such animal. A (single) foul can be intentional, or flagrant, or neither but not both.