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Smitty Thu Jan 20, 2011 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 719648)
...fair enough...

but, aren't you the one that started your sentence with "How in the He11"...

seems kinda, how do you say it? Snarky to me...just saying.;)

Point taken. Touche...

RookieDude Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 719647)
Fair enough. But what if you don't get to 1?

Not to be Snarky...but, if I don't get to one...then I didn't have a count that would help, in this situation.

RookieDude Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 719649)
Point taken. Touche...

It's all good Smitty...;)

Camron Rust Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 719623)
I guess you can say per 5-2-5:

"In this situation only A tap could score."

A meaning singular as opposed to plural?

Edit: Of course the first touch may not have been a tap?

Exactly. Particularly if it was a defender. They would not be tapping the ball.

If there are two taps, the first one is not the one that scored....only the second tap does...still "A" tap that scores.

jdw3018 Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:05pm

I love this board for discussion just like this. I have changed my mind that a second player couldn't tap the ball and score. Nothing in the rules would preclude that from happening.

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 719647)
Fair enough. But what if you don't get to 1?

For me, I can get to "one thou" in my head and have enough information that .2 has passed.

Adam Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 719647)
Fair enough. But what if you don't get to 1?

With .2 on the clock, I'll settle for getting half way there. Do it in your head, or do an arm swing, up to you.

And if I don't get there, I'll go with the horn.

APG Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:12pm

Put me in the camp of not allowing a basket with two players tapping the ball with .2 showing.

M&M Guy Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:16pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 719601)
The rule states with .3 or less, a player (meaning one player) can tap the ball and acore. It does not say two players can tap the ball and still score.

Tony, while I'm not sure I agree or disagree with your premise, I don't think your argument applies here. I believe the definitition of a tap is also a try for goal, and since I doubt B3 and A5 were both trying to score, we can assume only A5 tapped the ball, and B3 didn't tap it, but only touched it. Therefore, we're back to only one player actually tapping the ball.

All that said, I find it very difficult to believe that 2 players can touch the ball, and the ball be in the air after touching the second player, before 0.2 seconds have passed.

Edit: Looks like Camron beat me to it.

Adam Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:39pm

Two players jumping for the same pass are quite likely to be able to tap it within .2 second of each other.

Camron Rust Thu Jan 20, 2011 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 719664)
Two players jumping for the same pass are quite likely to be able to tap it within .2 second of each other.

Perhaps even simultaneously.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 20, 2011 07:44pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 719646)
It also doesn't say two players can't tap the ball and score.

If the taps are sufficiently close together such that the time from the first touch to the final touch is less than 0.3, the shot counts. If the final touch is by the defense, only the first tap must beat the 0.3 time.

The only thing this rule is intended to preclude is a catch and shoot.

5-2-5
When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and three-tenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.

A tap = one tap.

If two players tip it, that's it. I'm not going to score such a basket and all I need is that statement to back my call.

Adam Thu Jan 20, 2011 08:41pm

4-41-5: A tap for goal is....an attempt to direct the ball into his/her basket.

The defensive touch is not a tap, so there's still only one tap.
Besides, I really don't think the intent here is anything other than to prevent the catch and shoot. I don't think you can make the word "a" mean anything other than a grammatical filler.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jan 20, 2011 08:41pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 719658)
Tony, while I'm not sure I agree or disagree with your premise, I don't think your argument applies here. I believe the definitition of a tap is also a try for goal, and since I doubt B3 and A5 were both trying to score, we can assume only A5 tapped the ball, and B3 didn't tap it, but only touched it. Therefore, we're back to only one player actually tapping the ball.

All that said, I find it very difficult to believe that 2 players can touch the ball, and the ball be in the air after touching the second player, before 0.2 seconds have passed..

Yup. One is a "tap" (try for goal) and the other is a "tip" (inconsequential touching). If the "tap" is first, you can forget about the "tip" and count it if it goes. And if you do have two "taps", the second one better be before the horn if you're going to count it. That makes it a straight judgment call and also imo meets the rules criteria that only a tap may score. A second tap is still "a" tap.

Wierd play that does need further defining by the FED imo in case the sun ceases to shine, the heavens fall dark and this twp ever happens.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 20, 2011 09:20pm

The point is the rule states only a tap can score, meaning there's not time for anything else to occur before the horn.

Call it a tap, a tip, or what have you, the amount of time involved is too short to have the defender get to it first and then the offensive player tap it in. I'm not scoring a basket in that situation.

I'll live with that call. Do what you feel is best.

chseagle Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:53am

When did we start doing indoor track where the scoreboard displays hundreths of a second?

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 719599)
...with .02 seconds left? Is chseagle running the clock? (Sorry eagleman...j/k) ;)



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