butt ball

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rsl

The attempted pass came off the dribble, just before he jumped. The return to the floor is what caused the ball to come loose.

Well then, the ground can't cause a fumble.

First Down!

[JRutledge]

I got nothing until I get more information.

Peace

[rsl]

I gotta admit, I don't know when the dribble ended.

Ball bounces up and contacts hand, he jumps. At that point he could still push the ball back down, but instead whips the ball around his back for the pass and pins it on his back. Then he lands, and the ball falls to the floor, he turns around and grabs it.

Given that I can't say when the dribble ended, JRut is probably right- I should have had nothing.

How does that saying go- Just 'cause it looks funny doesn't mean it is illegal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rsl

I gotta admit, I don't know when the dribble ended.

Ball bounces up and contacts hand, he jumps. At that point he could still push the ball back down, but instead whips the ball around his back for the pass and pins it on his back.

Dribble might end here.

Then he lands,

allowable

[quote and the ball falls to the floor,[/quote]

fumble

he turns around and grabs it.

Allowed to recover fumble.

[rsl]

Thanks!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well then, the ground can't cause a fumble.

No, but it can cause an incomplete pass.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, but it can cause an incomplete pass.

In football the ground can cause fumbles.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well then, the ground can't cause a fumble.

First Down!

Yes it can.

It seems to me the dribble ended when it was pinned to the player's back.

[johnsonboys03]

even tho it looked bad I would say it is no more than a jump stop. Even if he jumps and lands on two feet its not a violation. Lands on both feet he just can't use a pivot. If he landed one foot then the other the first to hit the floor is the pivot. It sounds like an ugly play that the fans would scream about if you didn't call it but it wasn't anything more than an ugly legal play. But then again had to see it to really know.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

even tho it looked bad I would say it is no more than a jump stop. Even if he jumps and lands on two feet its not a violation. Lands on both feet he just can't use a pivot. If he landed one foot then the other the first to hit the floor is the pivot. It sounds like an ugly play that the fans would scream about if you didn't call it but it wasn't anything more than an ugly legal play. But then again had to see it to really know.

Assuming he gathered the ball in the air, the part in red is wrong.

The only time he can't use a pivot is if he has to land on both feet. If he's allowed to land one foot at a time, but instead lands on both feet, then either foot may be the pivot.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Assuming he gathered the ball in the air, the part in red is wrong.

The only time he can't use a pivot is if he has to land on both feet. If he's allowed to land one foot at a time, but instead lands on both feet, then either foot may be the pivot.

Wait what? I need to re read that rule. That makes a lot more sense, I could never figure out why you wouldn't be allowed but the way I read it you couldn't. That is also the way it is taught here???