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bainsey Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 718200)
Then, his mom called the school (they were the visiting team from about 50 miles away) and complained that we (the officials) had taken his right to play basketball away.

Which amendment and/or case play would that be?

WestfordRef Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:31pm

I agree with BBRef, "On the first play, the depth of the injury really doesn't have anything to do calling the foul intentional or not. You judge it on the merit of the play, not what happens later".

Too often I see common fouls called when a player fouls another with no attempt to play the ball. And of course it often happens when the coach is yelling "Foul them", and a player wraps their arms around the player with the ball. Had one last week and the coach complained "He just grabbed him, that's all".

Ok in the NBA, but not high school.

Welpe Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 718234)
Which amendment and/or case play would that be?

The right to travel.

Illinoisref Tue Jan 18, 2011 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 718158)
Is a two-handed shove to the back playing the ball? Probably not...

I'd go with a minimum of an intentional foul here. If I thought she tried to injure the player, I've got a flagrant personal foul.



Absolutely agree!

bball_lurker Tue Jan 18, 2011 01:52pm

The first play was just to set the mood of the game, I completely agree it was a common foul.


Now for a much trickier question! We are playing this team again in a few days. Is there any nice friendly way to get a quick rules reminder to the refs?

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by bball_lurker (Post 718298)
The first play was just to set the mood of the game, I completely agree it was a common foul.


Now for a much trickier question! We are playing this team again in a few days. Is there any nice friendly way to get a quick rules reminder to the refs?

Yes. Here it is: " ".

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bball_lurker (Post 718298)
Now for a much trickier question! We are playing this team again in a few days. Is there any nice friendly way to get a quick rules reminder to the refs?

Not really.

bball_lurker Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:21pm

That's what I thought. Ah well, hopefully this one ends a little cleaner!

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:43pm

LOL, sorry, but all you'd end up doing is annoying the officials on that game. And that's the best case scenario. :D

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:45pm

Best you can do is have your AD contact the assigner (if applicable) and ask him/her about the enforcement of this rule. A reminder may be in order that intentional fouls aren't nuclear bombs.

Raymond Tue Jan 18, 2011 04:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bball_lurker (Post 718298)
The first play was just to set the mood of the game, I completely agree it was a common foul.


Now for a much trickier question! We are playing this team again in a few days. Is there any nice friendly way to get a quick rules reminder to the refs?

Multiple answers to this:
  1. Do you expect the same officials for the next game?
  2. If you don't have the same refs do you expect the next crew to make the same "mistake"?
  3. If it is the same crew and they did happen to make a "mistake" what's make you think they didn't learn from it? When you make a mistake coaching do the parents need to remind you not to make it again in the next game?

I'm sure you get the gist of my response. Officials don't really need reminders from coaches. If you feel it's a problem that needs to be addressed then send your concerns to the assignor, commissioner, or state association so that they can decide if the officials need a reminder about a certain rule.

Just my $0.02 :)


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