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I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

I haven't seen the play, so I can only give a generic comment; but sometimes on this play, close enough is good enough. What I mean is, if you have to watch the replay to know for sure the feet didn't come down simultaneously, it's probably not going to get called.

He traveled because the defender pushed him with two hands...should have been a foul that caused the travel.

i would not call a travel there...an official would be "splitting hairs" if a travel was called there....close enough to a jump stop for me there...(feet "alighted nearly simultaneously").

+1 - I know it's the Big East, but come on.

I think we have to have a poll on this re: whether it was a travel or a foul. That's the only way to be absolutely certain.

Travel? How about the carry?!?!
 

Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

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The 2nd view shows the play the best. I have the player gathering and ending his dribble with his left foot on the floor. Then a step with the right and then left. By rule it would be a travel under NFHS and NCAA rules. This is a legal play under NBA rules.

After looking at the video again, I agree there should of been a foul called here and it was clearly before the travel.

How much ground should not be a consideration when determining travel or not. These players are bigger and longer than ever before and thus able to cover a lot of ground. Rather, just pick up the pivot foot and go from there.

What video are you watching? The travel happened after the push. By rule, you've got a foul, and he looks to me to be trying to gather the ball (judgment call) for a shot. The travel after the foul makes the ball dead, so two shots for the shooter.

When did the ball come to rest with the palm facing upward???

Yes, it's probably a foul.

Yes, it's traveling.

The palm is in the mid court when he goes from the bottom of the center court logo to the top of the key while carrying the ball. It is more than a hesitation dribble and other replays last night showed it more vividly. This is before he engages with the defender, who stands up in reaction to the ball coming to rest.

The 15 second video that is within this thread picks up the offensive player after his dribble at the top of the key.

Takin the bus
 

Looks like 4 steps to me; two small ones as he gathers, two (not simultaneous) and the shot. Also I'll agree with others there could be a push in there as he splits the defenders. Neither of these are perceptible without benefit of slow motion instant replay, so know what? Great call!

I don't see how you have four steps. :confused: Not that it matters in how we officiate this play.

OK three steps
 

Still, in real time, looks close enough to a jump stop to be legal.

I don't know, the first time I saw the video I could tell it was a travel, in real time. Close enough to go either way? Probably, but it's still an obvious travel to me.

Ahh, the first time
 

you saw the video, not the first time the ref, or a ref, saw the PLAY.

No, it's probably not a foul.

No, it's not traveling.

Yes, we absolutely must have a poll if we want to have the definitive answer.


PS- heeheeheehee.........

According to this logic, video replay is useless. :rolleyes:

It would be in this situation. The call has to stand.

I don't understand this statement? :confused: The video clearly shows the play was a travel. It also shows there was a foul on the play.

???

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Obviously the call stands, it's not a reviewable play. It does, however, show the official missed the call. Now, he may have decided to let the travel go after letting the foul go, or he may have simply missed it. But the fact is, he missed it.

So the replay shows he may have walked
 

What are you or anyone else gonna do with it now? Use it as a future training video? I'm only backing, not bashing, the official(s) on this. I'm betting any one of you would NOT have called a walk when seeing it FIRST and in REAL time. We could all pull tapes where we missed a call or two and besides the jump stops now a days have gotten out of hand imo. I agreed it was a walk when seeing it slow; I guess I just don't know what the point of questioning it now is. Most of you guys have been the first to come to the defense of fellow officials, rather than the other way around.

Signed,

Captain Obvious

A useless bet. We're critiquing the call, that's it. No one is bashing the officials here. I would like to think I'd have had the foul, but I'm pretty sure I'd have nailed the travel. I've called several just like it; it's a poorly executed jump stop.
You don't need to see it in slow motion, that's my point. First time I saw it, in real time, it was obvious to me it was a travel.

No one is coming to the defense of the official because no one was attacking the official. Rather we are critiquing the call. If we can't do that, then we might as well get rid of video review.

As far as seeing the play in real time, I caught the travel the first time. I might of missed the foul though which is why it's important we watch tape.

I'm cool with the critiquing
 

I enjoy everyone's different point of view here, thanks. And I don't believe video replay is useless, to the contrary, helpful in many instances. Especially to start arguments...I mean critiques.

Just about any NCAA game you care to watch has numerous travels a lot more obvious than this one that are missed/ignored. It's headed in the direction of the NBA.

I just saw the play at lunch. That exactly what I saw.

In real time I couldn't see it was a travel b/c Walker's legs are blocked by the defenders from that camera angle. In the replay it's an obvious travel...caused by an obvious foul :D

Did Jay throw a red flag on the court?

I real time it didn't look too bad. Angles of vision make it hard to see the details.

Three And Out ...
 

Kemba Walker is just getting ready for next year. He's only needs a few credits to earn his sociology degree, as a junior. Calhoun has already given him his blessing.

The move I see players travel on the most is the spin move which incidentally would be legal under NBA rules.

If a player is in the act of shooting, gets pushed, then travels, then releases and it goes in, we don't count the basket and give him two shots?

Correct. The foul does not cause the ball to become dead, but the travel does. But he was still in the act of shooting, so you give him his two shots.

Is that a serious question? No, we don't. The travel ends the try.