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tref Fri Jan 14, 2011 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 715868)
If you're allowing him to stand, you're giving him a box. I, personally, don't care as I only work games with coaching boxes. But that's what the state (for whatever reason) decided.

Did Rich just BigTyme us? lol

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 14, 2011 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by oldschool (Post 715875)
She stated she remained in contact with the bench while moving. The few comments were not so bad it was just that she said those while moving from one end of bench to the other and was standing at the time.

I told her I would not mind her moving if she was coaching her kids.

She remained in contact with the the bench while standing and moving along the bench? She a contortionist? :D

Coaching her kids is good. Comments made to you are a judgment call. And if you're doing your job, you'll probably never notice the coach moving unless those comments do bring her to your attention.

The movement is irrelevant. Deal with the comments.

JMHO.

Rich Fri Jan 14, 2011 04:19pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 715877)
Did Rich just BigTyme us? lol

Nope. I'd be happy to work a lower level game on a night off, if asked. I'm just saying that I have no personal stake in it on most nights is all. Sorry if it came off otherwise - I didn't mean it to.

Adam Fri Jan 14, 2011 05:36pm

To me, if she's moving up and down the bench, she's using the box. It sounds like she's using a loophole not intended by the state's decision not to grant the coaching box at sub-varsity levels. I would check with your state rules interpreter.

Cobra Fri Jan 14, 2011 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by oldschool (Post 715875)
Coach would get up and move from one end of bench to the other with the offense and defense.

The rule says that they have to remain seated. Getting up and moving is not remaining seated. Being in contact with the bench means nothing. One could be standing and still touching the bench.

Camron Rust Fri Jan 14, 2011 06:54pm

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 715935)
The rule says that they have to remain seated. Getting up and moving is not remaining seated. Being in contact with the bench means nothing. One could be standing and still touching the bench.

There are several reasons why a coach is permitted to stand even if they don't have use of the box....whether they've lost it due to a T or if the state doesn't utilize it. I don't know of anything that requires them to return to the exact same chair after legally being on their feet. If they're doing it often, however, they are certainly at risk of an official viewing it as an infraction of the coaching rules.

BillyMac Fri Jan 14, 2011 06:54pm

10-4-4-d ...
 
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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 715827)
All other levels must remain in contact with bench.

Not even to to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member?

Adam Fri Jan 14, 2011 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 715827)
Not in our state. Coaching box is only for head coach at varsity level. All other levels must remain in contact with bench in WI

Just curious; I'm assuming this is some sort of alteration of the coaching box rules. Are they allowed to stand whenever they want, just so long as they are physically touching their bench?

Cobra Fri Jan 14, 2011 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 715956)
Just curious; I'm assuming this is some sort of alteration of the coaching box rules. Are they allowed to stand whenever they want, just so long as they are physically touching their bench?

No, there is no coaching box at all. Everyone must remain seated.

BillyMac Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:10pm

Is This Microphone Working ???
 
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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 715977)
No, there is no coaching box at all. Everyone must remain seated.

Not even to to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member?

Rich Sat Jan 15, 2011 01:06am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 716002)
Not even to to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member?

All the exceptions are in play, of course. There is no coaching box in the lower levels, so the rules (as written) for such games apply.

Adam Sat Jan 15, 2011 09:02am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 716080)
All the exceptions are in play, of course. There is no coaching box in the lower levels, so the rules (as written) for such games apply.

Okay, I didn't know if the word "contact" was the operational key here. Can the HC stand (during non-approved times) as long as he is still touching the bench?

Rich Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:00am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 716213)
Okay, I didn't know if the word "contact" was the operational key here. Can the HC stand (during non-approved times) as long as he is still touching the bench?

No. The rules are as they would be absent the optional coaching box. There is nothing special about WI's rules here -- they've just chosen to only give the optional box to varsity head coaches.

CMHCoachNRef Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:38am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 716238)
No. The rules are as they would be absent the optional coaching box. There is nothing special about WI's rules here -- they've just chosen to only give the optional box to varsity head coaches.

I am quite happy to be following Ohio's rules on this one. I wonder if they make high school teachers stay seated while teaching as well? As JR stated earlier, it is about the comments, not the physical position (unless in WI -- and, likely, several other states).....

Being forced to sit all game long would have shortened my coaching career by 25 years....

Jurassic Referee Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:00am

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 716251)
I am quite happy to be following Ohio's rules on this one. I wonder if they make high school teachers stay seated while teaching as well? As JR stated earlier, it is about the comments, not the physical position (unless in WI -- and, likely, several other states).....

Being forced to sit all game long would have shortened my coaching career by 25 years....

I know several areas like Wisconsin that have either banned or restricted usage of the coaching box. And in all cases it was never because of coach's coaching. It was because of coach's officiating. A smart coach can always get his point across to us without putting on a show.


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