Non Varsity coach bench position
 

Just wondering about a non varsity coach who moves from one end of bench to the other. Stated they had contact at all times. Would you allow this? I had a problem when she moved and made a comment to me about a call. Hopefully you can visualize this movement dictated by ofense and defense. Let me know your thoughts.

If it's just once...no problem. If it's everytime down the floor - notify the head coach that she is going to cost the coach the ability to stand up.

If she's up and complains - whack. Bench T, everyone sits.

As long as they maintain contact - fine - no real penalty for this. Let them slide on the bench and get a few slivers. Then they'll know what it feels like when they speak to us. ( a real PIA)
If they are addressing you or saying something inappropriate - penalize that according to the rules. But I have not seen anything that says they can't move while maintaining contact with the bench.

The head coach of a non-varsity team? Then she's allowed the same rights as any head coach. By rule, though, if she moves out of the box, she's not allowed to stand once she moves back into the box.

Or, do you mean the assistant coach of the varsity (or any) team? She's under the same restrictions and any assistant coach.

Not in our state. Coaching box is only for head coach at varsity level. All other levels must remain in contact with bench in WI

If the Coach at a non-varsity level stands, stays in front of thier seat and is actually coaching the players I really do not have a problem with that, if they are standing to complain, warning then WHACK!

If I have an issue with an assistant coach, I'll talk about it with the head coach. I had one A.C. last year that was standing to coach a couple of times, but a visit with the head coach ("control your bench") took care of that.

I also had one a few weeks ago, a middle school game where the coaches didn't know that rule. No biggie. Still, there was a spectator I knew who had officiated that tried to tell me and my partner after the game that the A.C. couldn't be at the opposite end of the bench as the H.C., as it creates "an unfair advantage." No such NFHS rule exists. Anyone ever hear of this?

Sounds like half the JV games I see. The coaching box is a privilege for VARSITY head coaches only in Wisconsin. If I was working the game (and I probably wouldn't be), I'd give a friendly reminder early on and the coach would sit. What's so hard about that?

Yes, but not from an "ex-official" those comments generally come from the BCF!

I am not allowing him a coaching box I am allowing him to stand in front of his seat and Coach, not roam the sideline.

Organ Grinder?
 

Who on this board was it who said he'd say, "Coach, I'll listen to the organ grinder, but not the monkey."
Always wanted to use that line to the head coach when the assistant is getting out of order, but have refrained for reasons of possible offense.

Never worry about head coaches moving around in their coaching box while coaching. Never worry about what any assistant coach does either if they basically stay on the bench and coach.

Deal with any unsporting comments from the bench according to your own personal tolerance level whether they're from a head coach or any other bench personnel.

The comments are your problem, not the movement.

If you're allowing him to stand, you're giving him a box. I, personally, don't care as I only work games with coaching boxes. But that's what the state (for whatever reason) decided.

Exactly right. I had to shut down an assistant coach in the first 2 minutes of my game last night. The head coach was up coaching and the assistant was loud and obnoxious from the bench. Told him I'd talk to the head guy all night long, but I wasn't going to listen to him from the bench. Considered going through the head coach, but he was probably 10 feet away and it was just easier to deal with the assistant directly.

Final score was something like 80-31. Tough game to work as the winning team had a full court press on for almost the entire game and the losing team started ratcheting up the physicality the more frustrated they got.

Just to clarify. Non Varsity have no coaching box in our state. Coach would get up and move from one end of bench to the other with the offense and defense. I was just wondering if this should be allowed. She stated she remained in contact with the bench while moving. The few comments were not so bad it was just that she said those while moving from one end of bench to the other and was standing at the time. I told her I would not mind her moving if she was coaching her kids. Just looking for some input to sort this out if it ever occurs again. Thanks

Did Rich just BigTyme us? lol

She remained in contact with the the bench while standing and moving along the bench? She a contortionist? :D

Coaching her kids is good. Comments made to you are a judgment call. And if you're doing your job, you'll probably never notice the coach moving unless those comments do bring her to your attention.

The movement is irrelevant. Deal with the comments.

JMHO.

Nope. I'd be happy to work a lower level game on a night off, if asked. I'm just saying that I have no personal stake in it on most nights is all. Sorry if it came off otherwise - I didn't mean it to.

To me, if she's moving up and down the bench, she's using the box. It sounds like she's using a loophole not intended by the state's decision not to grant the coaching box at sub-varsity levels. I would check with your state rules interpreter.

The rule says that they have to remain seated. Getting up and moving is not remaining seated. Being in contact with the bench means nothing. One could be standing and still touching the bench.

There are several reasons why a coach is permitted to stand even if they don't have use of the box....whether they've lost it due to a T or if the state doesn't utilize it. I don't know of anything that requires them to return to the exact same chair after legally being on their feet. If they're doing it often, however, they are certainly at risk of an official viewing it as an infraction of the coaching rules.

10-4-4-d ...
 

Not even to to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member?

Just curious; I'm assuming this is some sort of alteration of the coaching box rules. Are they allowed to stand whenever they want, just so long as they are physically touching their bench?

No, there is no coaching box at all. Everyone must remain seated.

Is This Microphone Working ???
 

Not even to to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member?

All the exceptions are in play, of course. There is no coaching box in the lower levels, so the rules (as written) for such games apply.

Okay, I didn't know if the word "contact" was the operational key here. Can the HC stand (during non-approved times) as long as he is still touching the bench?

No. The rules are as they would be absent the optional coaching box. There is nothing special about WI's rules here -- they've just chosen to only give the optional box to varsity head coaches.

I am quite happy to be following Ohio's rules on this one. I wonder if they make high school teachers stay seated while teaching as well? As JR stated earlier, it is about the comments, not the physical position (unless in WI -- and, likely, several other states).....

Being forced to sit all game long would have shortened my coaching career by 25 years....

I know several areas like Wisconsin that have either banned or restricted usage of the coaching box. And in all cases it was never because of coach's coaching. It was because of coach's officiating. A smart coach can always get his point across to us without putting on a show.

Unfortunately, I personally don't like punishing all coaches (I used to be able to say "us" until recently) because of some bad apples. Address the bad ones with the appropriate penalty and move on.....

Agree. If we take care of bidness, then there's no need for others to take care of bidness for us. Making a yappy coach sit on the bench isn't gonna stop him/her from yapping. It might make 'em less visible, but that's about it.

The coaching box is still not the default option in the NFHS rulebook. WI still treats it as a privilege that can be removed. They want a report with every situation that causes a coach to lose the coaching box.

I find that mentality silly, but it's their sandbox.

Iowa used to have it for girls only; I found the boys coaches, in general, much less vocal. Although the only coach Ts I gave there were in boys games, so....

They have since taken it back and neither side has the coaching box now.

Not at all Rich. I should've included a :D

Which could make for a crowded bench during Time Outs!:D

How can she get up and still be in contact with the bench? :confused:

Put her a$$ on the bench and tell her to stay there.

Arm touching the bench.

Left Hand Red ...
 

Haven't you ever played Twister?

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What difference would that make? The rule says she must remain seated.

I've kinda suspected it from your past posts but you just proved you don't know the difference between your azz and your arm.

NFHS rules don't say the head coach has to be in contact with the bench. It says,

Bench personnel shall not:
Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated

If 10-5 isn't in play, then the coach has to remain SEATED except for exception 10-4-4b, c, & d.

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When the penguin said "remain in contact," I assumed WI had some goofy adaptation that allowed them to stand as long as they were touching the bench. Even so, I agree that moving down the bench and touching it with your hand(s) would be an act most likely not intended by the rule.

But, as was noted, there's nothing that requires them to sit back down in the same spot after properly standing.

Did I say it made a difference? I was directly responding to a question which was asked. I even quoted it in my post....figure it out man.