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26 Year Gap Thu Jan 13, 2011 08:51pm

But you already knew that, right?
 
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 715598)
Oh I do, trust me learned the difficult way years ago.

And by inflating needle you mean............:eek:

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RobbyinTN Thu Jan 13, 2011 09:09pm

I think they call that ball watching :D Sadly that is fairly common at the lower levels with rookie officials. I tell younger officials during the pre-game that if they call something in my area typically that means they aren't taking care of their area.

Robby

johnsonboys03 Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:51pm

I actually did it twice last week. I had just left my sons wrestling tournament and he was probably wrestling at the same time I was officiating. So needless to say my mind was were it shouldn't have been. I even had my hand up and counting as the lead while administering a foul shot lol.

I had to explain to my partner so he didn't think I was a total tool haha.

This even happened one day after I did my first three man game and was complimented by a lot of people. Guess that was Gods way of keeping me humbled lol.

But yeah your partner may not know better. If you are a crew and he (like a lot of ppl I work with) isn't studying he won't learn unless you let him know.

zm1283 Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:52pm

I wouldn't say I "hate" this but it does really bother me: Partners who believe that the other nine players have to be behind the division line when we are shooting foul shots for a technical or intentional foul. I have had half a dozen partners either mention this supposed rule or enforce it already this season, including one who told a first year official that "You can't let the team with the bench in the backcourt talk to their coach in front of their bench because the team on the end where we're shooting can't cross half court to talk to their coach". :confused:

TimTaylor Fri Jan 14, 2011 01:51am

1 on 1 fast break - you beat the play down court and are in great position, offensive player makes the layup in close proximity to defender, but no contact.......Tweet! - your partner calls a foul on the play from 65+ feet away.....

letemplay Fri Jan 14, 2011 09:29am

Another thing that bugs me
 
How about the guy that wants to sound a whistle while adm a throw in, after every routine OOB play? I'm hightailin it to get in position as a L, with my back turned 3/4 away from inbounds spot and I hear a whistle. Gets my attention for sure. I've also had to pitch in and work the clock a time or two (now there's something I really hate--much rather be on the court) and when this guy hits his whistle like that while I'm trying to figure out how to get the team or ind fouls totals correct on board...that freaks me.

ref2coach Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:34am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 715739)
How about the guy that wants to sound a whistle while adm a throw in, after every routine OOB play? I'm hightailin it to get in position as a L, with my back turned 3/4 away from inbounds spot and I hear a whistle. Gets my attention for sure. I've also had to pitch in and work the clock a time or two (now there's something I really hate--much rather be on the court) and when this guy hits his whistle like that while I'm trying to figure out how to get the team or ind fouls totals correct on board...that freaks me.

Turn your head, run with your attention focused over your shoulder, keeping your eyes on players at all times.

Something that bugs me? Partners that run while focused on the wall behind the end line not keeping a eye on the players they are responsible for. :rolleyes:

ref2coach Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:43am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 715640)
I wouldn't say I "hate" this but it does really bother me: Partners who believe that the other nine players have to be behind the division line when we are shooting foul shots for a technical or intentional foul. I have had half a dozen partners either mention this supposed rule or enforce it already this season, including one who told a first year official that "You can't let the team with the bench in the backcourt talk to their coach in front of their bench because the team on the end where we're shooting can't cross half court to talk to their coach". :confused:

Was the part in red ever a rule? I find it odd that so many long time referees believe/perpetuate this myth.

JRutledge Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:03am

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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 715759)
Was the part in red ever a rule? I find it odd that so many long time referees believe/perpetuate this myth.

What makes you think this is a myth because of officials? When I tell players to not be on the lane line, they go where they go.

Peace

ref2coach Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:21am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 715764)
What makes you think this is a myth because of officials? When I tell players to not be on the lane line, they go where they go.

Peace

Because I ask fellow officials, when assigned with them the 1st time, "where are the other 9 player allowed to be when a TF is shot". ~30-35% of "long time" referees state, "behind the division line". We have ~300 members, I am assigned with the same partner on average less than twice per year. I have a lot of personal exposure to officials believing this myth. :rolleyes:

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:31am

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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 715759)
Was the part in red ever a rule?

Not in the last 50 years that I'm aware of. Before the 3-point arc came in, they had to be behind the free throw line extended.

ref2coach Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:47am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 715770)
Not in the last 50 years that I'm aware of. Before the 3-point arc came in, they had to be behind the free throw line extended.

Thanks JR, I was hoping there was a logical explanation instead of ignorance.

JRutledge Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 715768)
Because I ask fellow officials, when assigned with them the 1st time, "where are the other 9 player allowed to be when a TF is shot". ~30-35% of "long time" referees state, "behind the division line". We have ~300 members, I am assigned with the same partner on average less than twice per year. I have a lot of personal exposure to officials believing this myth. :rolleyes:

Maybe that is an area issue and you are not training your officials properly. I see players go places all the time and we tell them nothing about where to stand. Actually I pay very little attention to where players stand other than to not be on the lane. I have seen players go talk to their coach by their bench and they are not behind or even near the division line. And I have a lot of personal exposure to people of all levels of experience and it is usually the very new guys that make this a requirement as they have not been around long enough. I do not know about you, but we have trainings and camps and other things our associations do. If that is a myth that officials in your area are adhering to, that sounds like a training problem in your area.

Peace

BillyMac Fri Jan 14, 2011 06:28pm

And I Bet That Mark Padgett Does The Same Thing ...
 
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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 715758)
Partners that run while focused on the wall behind the end line.

Not me. I take this opportunity to scan the crowd behind the endline for hot, single, moms.

Terrance "TJ" Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 715770)
Not in the last 50 years that I'm aware of. Before the 3-point arc came in, they had to be behind the free throw line extended.

I've been to two college games in the last three days and both had Ts. I'm guessing the one at the very beginning of the game was a book and tonight's was on our (home) coach. Both times all players were behind the division line. I esp. thought the Wed. game's crew would know the correct rule, cuz one of the Us does the local clinics before the season starts for the southern region guys.


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