Irrational Coach....Complains about every call

[freddie_g2001]

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book and told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

[RobbyinTN]

If he was doing it constantly I would not have given him the courtesy of a warning - I would have whacked him.

I am fairly tolerant of coaches and don't let many get under my skin but OTOH I don't let them question every call I make in the game. I will give a T where one is needed.

I have a game tonight with a team where the coach is vocal about calls. I dread it to be honest but I will let him complain as long as (1) it is fairly infrequent (2) has no profanity or (3) stays in his box. If any of those three conditions are broken I will give him a T; however, my hope is that I don't have to.

Robby

[tref]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the bookand told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

I used to allow them to complain throughout the game too, but it's better to nip that in the bud. I dont know if its a local thing, but we dont put coaches warnings in the book.

I dont think approaching a coach after a game is a wise move... especially a losing coach. JMO

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book......

For which of the four reasons?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

J This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME".

"You want MY NAME?!?! Don't you like your own name? Do you know how confusing it would be if we both had the same name? You'd have to get a new drivers license and everything. Geez."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book and told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

Sounds like you should've addressed the coach well before the third quarter. Certainly, your first effort to address a coach who's "complaining" shouldn't be to issue an ultimatum and then write it in the book (which serves no purpose but to inflame and to delay the game).

It also sounds like a technical foul may have been warranted at some point, as well.

As far as waiting in the hallway, it happens. I probably would've walked away from the door, though, until the key was found or until the coach was inside his locker room.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

For which of the four reasons?

This warning is but in the book so your supervisor or the state knows that you warned him and he knew he behavior was not appropriate. Some officials do it and some don't. In the women's college league I work every one of them wants us to put a warning on a coach in the book.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book and told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

I might apologize for my outburst by the locker room but I am not going to justify my performance to him like you did...no way!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book and told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

freddie, I have no problem with your warning. Maybe it could have come earlier, maybe not, only you know that. But yes, you didn't handle things right in the post game. You should have ignored him, but you didn't, so oh well. And I wouldn't have apologized for giving my name and spelling it out. I would have just walked by him.

All-in-all, not the worse that could have happened. A learning experience, but no need to beat yourself up about any of it, IMHO.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by freddie_g2001

Just throwing this out there....I am of the belief that Everyone could improve on dealing with an irrational coach. (If thats possible) I worked a Varsity Tournament Boys 2A, (2 Person Mechanics) and it seems in the smaller schools, coaches want to act like minature Bobby Knights. Here is the situation: I worked 2 games, 2nd game was a Double Over Time. Great Game. My partner and I was supposed to be replaced by 2 other officals for the 3rd game but no one showed up so we stayed to work it. I will admit I was a little tired, but I felt good enough to work the next game. Admittedly, When a person is tired, they are a little less tolerant of coaches complaining, etc. We worked the game and one of the coaches team was losing and the coach complained, a lot through out the game. In the 3rd period, I had enough and went over to the Coach and said, "Coach, ENOUGH! I don't want to hear any more from you! Told the book to put an Official Warning in the book and told my partner, This coach has been warned. We finished the game and to my bad luck, my locker room was locked and it was right by the team that just lost. This Coach saw me in the hall way and looked at me talking to somene else and said, "I WANT HIS NAME". Out of character, I said my name is....And Spelled it for him. I know this was totally unprofessional and I truely believe had it been the 2nd game, Would not have happened. I got in my locker room, took my shower and got dressed. When I went out to leave, I saw the coach. I guess he had calmed down and I did. I went over to him and said, "Coach, I'd like to apologize for being unprofessional. I know I was wrong but if you look at the tape, I was in position on every call. Agree or not, I worked hard in your game. Anyway, I know the right answer was to say nothing , but it is what it is. As Tony Stigliano says, "You can't Mis-Quote Silence"! Just curious if anyone else has ever had a situation close to this? I'd love to hear your input......

I hindsight I'd never approach him to apologize and certainly not for spelling your name. After you slept on it, if you felt compelled to apologize for something the timing is much better and probably communicated better through an email, although I'd be careful what you put into writing.

The game is over and so are his and your duties. If he can't handle his emotions there is no need for you to jump into his hole. To me, approaching him to apologize is in a way admitting you were wrong from get go and possibly dousing gas on the fire. Just forget it, I'm sure he did a few hours after. This of course is all hindsight and just my thoughts.

[letemplay]

So he got your name, what's the worse that can happen? He'll mark you off and you'll never have to listen to his winey A$$ anymore!

[jeffpea]

freddie_g... you promote what you permit. if you allow specific behaviors to continue, then you are, in essence, saying that those behvaviors are acceptable....

[26 Year Gap]

Your name is in the official book. If his scorekeeper was adept, he would have copied it from the official book. Sounds like an ABS tech was warranted. The more you talk to coaches, the more opportunity to say things you might regret. You might be in touch with your assignor as working 3 V games in a row with a crew of 2 is a lot different than working 3 or 5 AAU games in a row.

[Mark Padgett]

W-e-a-s-e-l-p-a-n-t-s.

[Judtech]

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