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Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 09, 2011 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713898)
I refer you, Woody, to the last sentence of the OP.


I refer you, bainsey, to case book play 9.12SitB as cited above. Note that it's in a section labelled GOALTENDING. Are you sure you didn't really not want to find sumthin' like that, sumthin' that woulda screwed up your end game? :)

BillyMac Sun Jan 09, 2011 09:38pm

And Where's Waldo ???
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713898)
I refer you, Woody, to the last sentence of the OP.

Who's Woody?

bainsey Sun Jan 09, 2011 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 713900)
I refer you, bainsey, to case book play 9.12SitB as cited above.

Saw that, not applicable. I'm looking for offensive goaltending on a field goal. Since this case is on a free throw, the lane violation is the call, not any goaltending.

just another ref Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:03pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713852)
Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

When the rule is this plainly stated, why would you need a case?

bainsey Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 713908)
When the rule is this plainly stated, why would you need a case?

Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

BillyMac Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:32pm

I've Got You Babe ...
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713916)
Defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

Paul Bunyan was a myth. Offensive goaltending, and offensive basket interference, are the real deal.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...3b28&index=ch1

bainsey Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 713919)
Paul Bunyon [sic] was a myth.

Says you, Connecticut!

Paul Bunyan is a good friend that lives happily near the legendary home for high school tournament basketball, the Bangor Auditorium.

(It's the airplane-looking thing in the background. 26, back me up...)

http://www.mainevacationme.com/photo...-Maine-004.jpg

Adam Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:45pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713916)
Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

The rule itself will have to suffice.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:32pm

From a fairness point, why would a rule permit the offense to grab/touch a ball yet prohibit the defense from doing so when the ball is in play (time periods during FTs and throwins excepted since they're part of the penalty for another infraction or otherwise earned).

deecee Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 713930)
From a fairness point, why would a rule permit the offense to grab/touch a ball yet prohibit the defense from doing so when the ball is in play (time periods during FTs and throwins excepted since they're part of the penalty for another infraction or otherwise earned).

alley oop pass.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:50pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713916)
Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

Never heard of such a myth until you created it in this thread.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 10, 2011 07:36am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 713906)
Saw that, not applicable. I'm looking for offensive goaltending on a field goal. Since this case is on a free throw, the lane violation is the call, not any goaltending.

Then look at NFHS rule 7-5-2(b) which states:
"Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in nearest the violation:
b) after GOALTENDING or basket interference by the OFFENSIVE team, as in 9-12 Penalty 2."


Let me know if that doesn't meet your approval also...and I'll find something else for you. Hell, I don't mind doing what you should have done before starting this stoopid thread.

bainsey Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:48am

Thanks, JR, that helps. But really, haven't you learned in your travels the bees/honey/vinegar analogy?

BktBallRef Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:49am

There are bees here? :confused:

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:10am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 714040)
But really, haven't you learned in your travels the bees/honey/vinegar analogy?

Naw, I'm more of a subscriber of the analogy of having to hit a donkey over the head with a 2by4 to get their attention. :D

Note the smiley, bainsey.:D


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