Rule 4-22 (Goaltending)
 

In theory, is it possible for goaltending to be an offensive violation? I'm not talking about basket interference. Rule 4-22 clearly says it happens when a player meets the criteria, not specifying whether it's an offensive or defensive player (free throws notwithstanding).

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

Try looking under the penalties.

9-11&12 Penalties, or elsewhere?

Is there somewhere else?

That's what I just asked. I don't see anything that rules out offensive goaltending in 9-11&12.

It does more than not rule it out. It give the specific penalty for each team. Billy Mac will probably copy and paste it in about 2 minutes. What I meant to ask is, what more do you need?

Went To A Basketball Game And A Hockey Game Broke Out ...
 

4-22: Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap
while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the
possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower
touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt

9-12: A player shall not commit goaltending, as in 4-22. PENALTIES:
1. If the violation is at the opponent’s basket, the opponents are awarded one
point if during a free throw, three points if during a three-point try and two
points in any other case. See 10-3-9 for additional penalty for goaltending
during a free throw. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure
are the same as if the awarded score had resulted from the ball having
gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand or bounce the
ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in.
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the
ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds
spot nearest the violation.

Also, I find this thread to be offensive.

Exactly. I read "the violation" as either goaltending or basket interference, since nothing is telling me that we're only talking about b.i. This tells me that offensive goaltending can indeed exist.

My end game is to find something that says that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending. I've yet to find such words.

Then this thread is now rated TV-14.

I've Seen The Tracks ...
 

Yes, but it's very rare, like the Abominable Snowman.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...ee3e&index=ch1

Does this mean that we can call offensive goaltending violations, "Bumbles?" Do they bounce, too?

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Did you ever think of checking the case book?

bainsey, it's right their in black and white. He even highlighted it for you.

9-12 Penalties
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds spot nearest the violation.

Plus case book play 9.12SitB....plus all the different rules that say a "player" ......rule 4-22, 9-12, 10-3-9,etc.....there's 10 players on the court.

Another end game that ended before it started.

You won't find anything because the offense can commit both goaltending and basket interference.

I refer you, Woody, to the last sentence of the OP.

Not to mention blue. Got it.

I refer you, bainsey, to case book play 9.12SitB as cited above. Note that it's in a section labelled GOALTENDING. Are you sure you didn't really not want to find sumthin' like that, sumthin' that woulda screwed up your end game? :)

And Where's Waldo ???
 

Who's Woody?

Saw that, not applicable. I'm looking for offensive goaltending on a field goal. Since this case is on a free throw, the lane violation is the call, not any goaltending.

When the rule is this plainly stated, why would you need a case?

Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

I've Got You Babe ...
 

Paul Bunyan was a myth. Offensive goaltending, and offensive basket interference, are the real deal.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...3b28&index=ch1

Says you, Connecticut!

Paul Bunyan is a good friend that lives happily near the legendary home for high school tournament basketball, the Bangor Auditorium.

(It's the airplane-looking thing in the background. 26, back me up...)

http://www.mainevacationme.com/photo...-Maine-004.jpg

The rule itself will have to suffice.

From a fairness point, why would a rule permit the offense to grab/touch a ball yet prohibit the defense from doing so when the ball is in play (time periods during FTs and throwins excepted since they're part of the penalty for another infraction or otherwise earned).

alley oop pass.

Never heard of such a myth until you created it in this thread.

Then look at NFHS rule 7-5-2(b) which states:
"Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in nearest the violation:
b) after GOALTENDING or basket interference by the OFFENSIVE team, as in 9-12 Penalty 2."

Let me know if that doesn't meet your approval also...and I'll find something else for you. Hell, I don't mind doing what you should have done before starting this stoopid thread.

Thanks, JR, that helps. But really, haven't you learned in your travels the bees/honey/vinegar analogy?

There are bees here? :confused:

Naw, I'm more of a subscriber of the analogy of having to hit a donkey over the head with a 2by4 to get their attention. :D

Note the smiley, bainsey.:D

I've heard it with flies, honey, crap.

Unfortunately, some people are dumber than all three items in the analogy.

One wonders whether the smiley means you're just joshing, or whether it expresses the simple joy you feel at the thought of applying a 2x4 to the donkey in question. ;)

Both...

I'm just surprised that he used the word "donkey"!:)

I are the kinder, gentler JR.....

Now shut up.

All is right in the world. :)