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bob jenkins Sat Jan 08, 2011 08:53am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713506)
The only time I've heard of sounding the horn :15 secs. before the end is on TOs & replacements, not for pregame or halftime.

That would be a long period on the bench for the teams if the horn sounded 3 minutes before the game/halftime ended.

I thought you had a rules book? Read it. And, what you seem to think constable said, is not what he said.

And, no one said the teams need to be on the bench from the time the "three minute warning" sounded.

Raymond Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:38am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713308)
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What would you do if the timer started marking the fouls on the board before reporting them to the table?

If it begins to create confusion as to bonus situations I will ask that they wait. If it's not creating a problem, then nothing.

Adam Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:39am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713502)
Concerning counting pts. before whistle/foul, I look for the "count the basket" signal before posting on the board, as I want to make sure the points do count.

He wasn't talking about on a foul so much as points scored when there is no immediate whistle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713506)
The only time I've heard of sounding the horn :15 secs. before the end is on TOs & replacements, not for pregame or halftime.

That would be a long period on the bench for the teams if the horn sounded 3 minutes before the game/halftime ended.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that players are required to go to their benches at the "warning horn." Not true. Also, there's no requirement for a horn at 1:00.

2-12-2, 2-12-4

Note 2-12-4 states to sound it 15 seconds before the expiration of any intermission.

chseagle Sat Jan 08, 2011 06:45pm

The :15 second warning horn for intermissions is only between quarters, not before the game or end of halftime.

If the horn is to sound :15 secs. prior to the start of the game/3rd quarter, then every timer is guilty & it's not enforced.

2-12-2 is the timer notifying the scorer that they need to be at the table, however 9.95 times out of 10 the scorer is at the table.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 713523)
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that players are required to go to their benches at the "warning horn." Not true. Also, there's no requirement for a horn at 1:00.

2-12-2, 2-12-4

Note 2-12-4 states to sound it 15 seconds before the expiration of any intermission.


Adam Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:01pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713608)
The :15 second warning horn for intermissions is only between quarters, not before the game or end of halftime.

No, it's not. Do you have a rule reference? Note I'm not asking how it's practiced in your area, I'm asking if you have a rule reference that tells you the :15 horn is only for quarters.

BillyMac Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:02pm

Just For The Consitution State ...
 
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713608)
The :15 second warning horn for intermissions is only between quarters, not before the game or end of halftime.

Connecticut Halftime Mechanics: Timer is instructed to set clock at nine minutes and to run it down. Notify both teams, and the officials, at the three minute mark. When the horn sounds after the nine minutes, set the clock for one minute, with a warning horn after forty-five seconds, and a final horn at the end of the one minute. At this time both teams should be ready to play.

We've been doing it this way for about 15-20 years.

chseagle Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713608)
If the horn is to sound :15 secs. prior to the start of the game/3rd quarter, then every timer is guilty & it's not enforced.

2-12-2 is the timer notifying the scorer that they need to be at the table, however 9.95 times out of 10 the scorer is at the table.

The :15 horn I've only heard between quarters, not before the game or at end of halftime (was the same way when I was Boys' Basketball Manager 10+ years ago).

The only reference found is 2-12-4, however during halftime we sound the minute horn before expiration, not once have been told to sound the horn at :15, except for between quarters.

For Varsity games, the clock never runs down to :00.0 during pregame, as when the minute horn sounds the teams are at benches & introductions are started with the clock reset to 8:00.

Looks like I'll have to e-mail Cindy Adsit & ask what the state's interpretation is.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 713616)
No, it's not. Do you have a rule reference? Note I'm not asking how it's practiced in your area, I'm asking if you have a rule reference that tells you the :15 horn is only for quarters.


chseagle Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:14pm

This sounds way easier than how doing things now.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 713619)
Connecticut Halftime Mechanics: Timer is instructed to set clock at nine minutes and to run it down. Notify both teams, and the officials, at the three minute mark. When the horn sounds after the nine minutes, set the clock for one minute, with a warning horn after forty-five seconds, and a final horn at the end of the one minute. At this time both teams should be ready to play.

We've been doing it this way for about 15-20 years.


BillyMac Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:17pm

Warning Horns ...
 
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713628)
Looks like I'll have to e-mail Cindy Adsit & ask what the state's interpretation is.

Don't bother:

2-12-4: Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an
intermission
or a 60-second charged time-out and at 15 seconds of a 30-second
time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to be ready to resume
play, and signal again at the end of the intermission or time-out.

2-12-5: Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20
seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or
for a player directed to leave the game.

chseagle Sat Jan 08, 2011 07:57pm

What I am meaning is that we have not been directed to do a :15 horn before the game or 3rd quarter, only between the 1st/2nd & 3rd/4th quarters here.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 713632)
Don't bother:

2-12-4: Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an
intermission
or a 60-second charged time-out and at 15 seconds of a 30-second
time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to be ready to resume
play, and signal again at the end of the intermission or time-out.

2-12-5: Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20
seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or
for a player directed to leave the game.


grunewar Sat Jan 08, 2011 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713308)
Would you call a jump ball whenever the defender ties up the ball yet lets go before the whistle?

Whenever, maybe not. But, it is not that unusual to have a ball become free after you put air in your whistle.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713644)
What I am meaning is that we have not been directed to do a :15 horn before the game or 3rd quarter, only between the 1st/2nd & 3rd/4th quarters here.

Then your timers are doing it wrong and should all be fired.

chseagle Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:41pm

IOW We were never told to do it at halftime or pregame. It has never been mentioned to the table crew by the officials nor has it been enforced at state playoffs.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 713711)
Then your timers are doing it wrong and should all be fired.


zm1283 Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713714)
IOW We were never told to do it at halftime or pregame. It has never been mentioned to the table crew by the officials nor has it been enforced at state playoffs.

It's in the rule book though, and you supposedly follow the rule book to the letter, so you had better get with it and sound that horn at the :15 mark during halftime.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 713714)
IOW We were never told to do it at halftime or pregame. It has never been mentioned to the table crew by the officials nor has it been enforced at state playoffs.

You have a rules book. Use it. Do it right at your games. Heck, it's even more important this year with the "major editorial change."


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