Overtime and Timeouts!

[The_Rookie]

At a Holiday Tourney last night...game goes to OT...2 Vet Officials working and they tell both coaches you get only 1 TO in the OT!

Who goofed? They ignore the carryout out of unused TOs. Assignor on site steps in to make the correction at the first break in the action. Coaches not thrilled with the crew but ultimately the rule was applied correctly.


Comments???

[APG]

Timeouts carry over from the fourth quarter. Each team is also entitled to an extra full timeout for each overtime period.

[Camron Rust]

Sure, we come up with bizarre situations on here that play in the shadowy areas of the rules, but stuff like this is pretty basic. Yet, it baffles me how much basic stuff some officials just don't really know.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sure, we come up with bizarre situations on here that play in the shadowy areas of the rules, but stuff like this is pretty basic. Yet, it baffles me how much basic stuff some officials just don't really know.

IMHO more a product of they forgot. That's why constant refreshing of rules reading, especially case book for me, is a given.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fullor30

IMHO more a product of they forgot. That's why constant refreshing of rules reading, especially case book for me, is a given.

Had one of my partners ask about a rare situation yesterday. Opening jump ball was not controlled by either team and two non-jumpers tied it up for a held ball.
He went with original jumpers, but it should have been between the two players who tied the ball up. Nobody really knew, but we had this on a test at the start of the season. One of those freaky things that rarely happens, unlike the OP's situation. Unless,......

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Had one of my partners ask about a rare situation yesterday. Opening jump ball was not controlled by either team and two non-jumpers tied it up for a held ball.
He went with original jumpers, but it should have been between the two players who tied the ball up. Nobody really knew, but we had this on a test at the start of the season. One of those freaky things that rarely happens, unlike the OP's situation. Unless,......

Sounds like he applied the college rule (can be any player though).

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Had one of my partners ask about a rare situation yesterday. Opening jump ball was not controlled by either team and two non-jumpers tied it up for a held ball.
He went with original jumpers, but it should have been between the two players who tied the ball up. Nobody really knew, but we had this on a test at the start of the season. One of those freaky things that rarely happens, unlike the OP's situation. Unless,......

Thought that this was a question on the NHFS exam this year.....

Was on the IAABO exam for sure !!!!!!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

More a product of they forgot. That's why constant refreshing of rules reading, especially case book for me, is a given.

A few weeks ago I had a player foul out. I informed the coach and he asked me, "I've got thirty seconds? Right?". I almost automatically answered, "Yes, coach.", but a little voice inside of me said, "Twenty".

Learning the rules is the easy part. Keeping up with all the the rule changes over thirty years, well, that's another story entirely.

[Mark Padgett]

Did the tourney have a rule that made this the case? Sometimes that happens, especially in tournaments. In fact, we have that rule in our local kids rec league, not that I ever let it come into play.

[BillyMac]

Last night had a band playing during clock stopped throwins. Went over to the band director and told him that he could only play during pregame, post game, timeouts, and intermissions. I wasn't sure if the band was restricted during thirty second timeouts, so I just left it as "timeouts" in general. During halftime we looked it up. The thirty second restriction is only for oncourt entertainment, that is, cheerleaders.

Sometimes you just draw a blank. Just got lucky here. Rule knowledge is definitely needed, but sometimes it you just need to be lucky. Flipped a mental coin, and won, this time.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sure, we come up with bizarre situations on here that play in the shadowy areas of the rules, but stuff like this is pretty basic. Yet, it baffles me how much basic stuff some officials just don't really know.

Agreed. We passionately, and fun lovingly , argue gray areas but a lot of this stuff is a no-brainer if you just read the rules.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Agreed. We passionately, and fun lovingly , argue gray areas but a lot of this stuff is a no-brainer if you just read the rules.

Not to be picky here, but one must READ the rules, COMPREHEND the rules, COMPREHEND the rules interpretations, AND REMEMBER the rules and the rules interpretations....

Nearly all officials and some coaches READ the rules ONCE (usually during their first class). Most officials read parts of the Case Book at least once. Many officials (and a few coaches) comprehend 95% of the rules and most of the interpretations. Very few comprehend AND REMEMBER all rules and rules interpretations.

Time-out counts and re-jumps should be REMEMBERED by all. Unfortunately, far too many officials only READ the rules ONE TIME in their lives -- twice at the most (preparing for their Class 2 to Class 1 upgrade would be the other).

In the Buckeye State, officials only take a rules exam TWICE in their lives -- once to get their Class 2 and once to get their Class 1. This year alone, I have seen things including free throws for a team control foul (boys varsity large school division) and an official calling a 5-second violation on a throw-in because the ball was not touched in bounds within five seconds (boys JV large school division).

Fitness of officials in basketball (and soccer) is a big issue. But, that one is hard to fix. Rules knowledge can be done by anyone -- IF they are willing to put forth the effort to READ, COMPREHEND and REMEMBER.

NOTE: High School-aged officials receive a Class 3 license and would, technically, be required to take two additional tests (to upgrade to a Class 2 and then to upgrade to a Class 1).

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

At a Holiday Tourney last night...game goes to OT...2 Vet Officials working and they tell both coaches you get only 1 TO in the OT!

Who goofed? They ignore the carryout out of unused TOs. Assignor on site steps in to make the correction at the first break in the action. Coaches not thrilled with the crew but ultimately the rule was applied correctly.


Comments???

The officials.... lets play on.