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chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:44pm

Some leagues do have specific timing rules for pre-game. Here now we are doing 15-minute pre-game instead of 20.

Initially I was going to say 5 minute pre-game.

For the halftime breakdown, I've seen it too many times where a team stays in the locker room till the minute/less than minute mark where they have no chance to warm-up.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709457)
Well, half-time is already 10 minutes; the coach just gets to make the decision on how to break it down.

As for pre-game warm-ups, there's no rule I'm aware of that even deals with its timing. Why do you feel the need to regulate those things? Or are you making jokes again?


Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709455)
1) Ok how about instead of 20 minute warm-ups, make the warm-up period 10 minutes (9 minutes to warm-up with the 1 minute to huddle)? With during halftime, the teams getting 5 minutes to talk (in locker room) & 4 minutes to warm-up (With the 1 minute still to huddle).

2) Anytime exercise is involved a person is supposed to do warm-ups to help the body prepare. I actually do some finger stretching & other arm movements beforehand.

1) What 20 minute warm-up? The warm-up period is whatever the coach wants it to be in his opinion to adequately prepare his team for the game. Sometimes his choices might be limited by a previous game that was played though. If there was no previous game, a team could warm-up for 14 hours if they wanted to. All we referees have to worry about is what happens during our jurisdiction, not during the warm-up. And our jurisdiction is when we come out on the floor, with the coda that it should be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

2) Me too, but it's to prepare for those post-game brownpop curls. Gotta stay in shape.

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:49pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709463)
Some leagues do have specific timing rules for pre-game. Here now we are doing 15-minute pre-game instead of 20.

Initially I was going to say 5 minute pre-game.

For the halftime breakdown, I've seen it too many times where a team stays in the locker room till the minute/less than minute mark where they have no chance to warm-up.

Again, why would you want the NFHS to regulate this?

As for the half-time breakdown, same question. Why do you want to tell a coach how to use his 10 minutes?

Let it go, it ain't broke.

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:58pm

Why is game management told to notify the officials 3 minutes before the end of halftime?

To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Here's another rule I'd like to see change: Only one scorebook allowed at the table.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709466)
Again, why would you want the NFHS to regulate this?

As for the half-time breakdown, same question. Why do you want to tell a coach how to use his 10 minutes?

Let it go, it ain't broke.


Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709467)
Why is game management told to notify the officials 3 minutes before the end of halftime?

To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Here's another rule I'd like to see change: Only one scorebook allowed at the table.

No, you're told to notify them so they know how much time is left. You're not regulating how they use it in any way.

Why in the world would you want to remove the visitors' book from the table?

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709467)
To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Why? :confused: People make mistakes, believe it or not. And believe it or not, that even includes scorekeepers. And I hate to say it , but I have heard tales of home scorekeepers actually doing sumthin' to their scorebook to help out the home team. :eek:

Having a second book there is a check and balance, and an aid to accurate and fair scorekeeping.

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709470)
And believe it or not, that even includes scorekeepers.

Now you're just talking crazy.

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:07pm

We are required in WI to be on the court when the clock starts (with 20 minutes on it). That's the time set after the JV game completes and we are expected to be on the floor for all of it.

In a boys game, we have to watch for dunking. Fine, I'll buy that, although I don't necessarily think the officials need to enforce this. Every team is at home for 50% of the games and no coach/AD wants their equipment damaged. This could be managed by game management easily enough. We don't watch for dunking the other 23 hours, 40 minutes of the day.

In a girls game, we should come out at 15, have the captains meeting at 12, check the books at 10, and then head back in for some stretching until 2 minutes on the clock. Nope, instead we have to stand out there for the entire 20 minutes.

That's what I'd change, at least where I live.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:34pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 709388)
Are they going to raise our game fees 12.5%?

Don't you mean 6.25%? There would be two minutes gone that now exists between the 1st & 2nd qtr and the 3rd & 4th qtr.;)

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:47pm

Almost forgot this one...Delay of Game warning for tying shoe[s] on FT lane line as shooter is prepared to receive ball from administering official . :rolleyes:

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:08pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709487)
Don't you mean 6.25%? There would be two minutes gone that now exists between the 1st & 2nd qtr and the 3rd & 4th qtr.;)

Nope, those aren't working times. Just a simple 36:32 calculation for me. I'm willing to bet we'd get paid exactly the same and we'd be told to pound sand.

I don't get why everyone wants to add playing time. Just do 2 16-minute halves and give each team an extra 30 second timeout. Easy enough.

dougolf2 Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:16pm

I agree. I am not the fashion police.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by dougolf2 (Post 709499)
I agree. I am not the fashion police.

Yes, we are. We may not desire to be, but that is immaterial.

Texas Aggie Wed Dec 22, 2010 08:18pm

Allow a team to "decline" any penalty -- usually a free throw, but could be shots and the ball -- for a throw in at the place of their choosing. OK, leave out the choosing part and stay at nearest spot, if you like.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 08:27pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 709515)
Allow a team to "decline" any penalty -- usually a free throw, but could be shots and the ball -- for a throw in at the place of their choosing. OK, leave out the choosing part and stay at nearest spot, if you like.

I hope this isn't leading to a coach throwing a red flag...


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