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lmeadski Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:06pm

If I could change one rule, it would be....
 
[fill in the blank}

APG Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:28pm

Don't make me the fashion police

BktBallRef Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:34pm

I don't care what the rules are. I just call'em based on what the FED decides.

Adam Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:51pm

hmmmm
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:gpNe2Uv_JaazEM:

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:54pm

All games would be five minute running time quarters.

Scratch85 Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:56pm

Snaqs
 
This has nothing to do with the OP but I just noticed Snaqs new tag line. Honestly, I am in tears. :D :D :D :D

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 709205)
Don't make me the fashion police

+1

Also, for NFHS, allow players to enter the lane on a free throw after the release.

Scratch85 Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709236)
+1

Also, for NFHS, allow players to enter the lane on a three throw after the release.

Did you mean three throw or free frow? :D

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709240)
Did you mean three throw or free frow? :D

Shut up. :D

Fixed... :o

SNIPERBBB Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709236)
+1

Also, for NFHS, allow players to enter the lane on a three throw after the release.

The current rule does make the rule about not faking the free throw attempt a bit redundant doesn't it?

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709222)
This has nothing to do with the OP but I just noticed Snaqs new tag line. Honestly, I am in tears. :D :D :D :D

:D Gotta mix it up a bit.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709236)
+1

Also, for NFHS, allow players to enter the lane on a free throw after the release.

Not gonna happen.

With entering on the release, there's too much unnecessary contact and jockeying for position on MADE free throws. They've gone to great lengths over the past 10 years to cut down on such play. Changing the rule would be a complete change in philosophy.

CDurham Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:46am

Coaches calling timeouts while play is live on the court.

Cobra Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 709254)
Coaches calling timeouts while play is live on the court.

I would say no timeouts even if the ball is dead if the clock is running.

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:43am

No warm-ups before game or during halftime.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:36am

Change the rule on remaining OOB after the throwin is released to be a violation instead of a T...and just give it a time limit of 3 seconds after the release that they have to be inbounds. It doesn't matter if they run across the court in that time, just as long as they get in.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:59am

1) Get rid of AP and start using Jump Balls again.

2) Get rid of Point of Interupption.

3) Stop being the fashion police except of keeping a players shorts up.

I know just one rule but I thought I could be the Basketball Czar for a day.



BUT, seriously, I would like to see the Closely Guarded rule changed to three feet instead of six feet and only while holding the ball. This is the rule in FIBA and NCAA Women's.

MTD, Sr.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709264)
No warm-ups before game or during halftime.

Whoa, you may want to re-think that one, chseagle. The idea of a warm-up is to warm up. It's not only to get into game mode but it's a safety factor. That's why officials warm-up before a game also.

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:50am

The First Rule Of The Forum ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 709220)
All games would be five minute running time quarters.

Change the rule that allows Mark Padgett to post on the Forum.

mbyron Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709285)
That's why officials warm-up before a game also.

Wait, the officials are supposed to warm up? ... oh, you mean the floor officials! Well, that makes more sense...

Larks Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark t. Denucci, sr. (Post 709272)
1) get rid of ap and start using jump balls again.

2) get rid of point of interupption.

3) stop being the fashion police except of keeping a players shorts up.

I know just one rule but i thought i could be the basketball czar for a day.



But, seriously, i would like to see the closely guarded rule changed to three feet instead of six feet and only while holding the ball. This is the rule in fiba and ncaa women's.

Mtd, sr.

1) -1
2) -1
3) +1
4) +1

Larks Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709262)
I would say no timeouts even if the ball is dead if the clock is running.

Huh?

Larks Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:59am

1) Drop 30s and fulls and go with five 45s

2) Go to two 16-min halves

dsqrddgd909 Wed Dec 22, 2010 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by larks (Post 709293)
1) drop 30s and fulls and go with five 45s

2) go to two 16-min halves

+1
+1

Terrapins Fan Wed Dec 22, 2010 09:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by larks (Post 709293)
1) drop 30s and fulls and go with five 45s

+1

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709293)
1) Drop 30s and fulls and go with five 45s

2) Go to two 16-min halves

I like both of those but I think two 18 minutes halves such as what Minnesota does might be better.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 709265)
Change the rule on remaining OOB after the throwin is released to be a violation instead of a T...and just give it a time limit of 3 seconds after the release that they have to be inbounds. It doesn't matter if they run across the court in that time, just as long as they get in.

+1

Compression sleeves. Make 'em legal and have them fall under the headband color requirements or make 'em illegal, because we all know they are not used for medical reasons.

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:14pm

Not grant a HC's time out request unless the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. I'd settle for unless the ball is dead, but would prefer both dead ball and stopped clock.

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709313)
I like both of those but I think two 18 minutes halves such as what Minnesota does might be better.

Are they going to raise our game fees 12.5%?

Pantherdreams Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:54pm

I ref FIBA so its a different kettle of fish. The rules I would like to see go on our side are the rules we have for some things that are automatically unsportsmanlike. I would prefer the discretion to call it when the intent was to make a non basketball play or an excessively physical one.

These would include:

- Automatic unsportsmanlike on any foul will the ball is at the disposal of the inbounder but has not yet entered the playing area during the last 2 minutes.
-Automatic unsportsmanlike on any foul from the side or behind when the there are no other defenders back between the rim and ball (clear path).

mj Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 709265)
Change the rule on remaining OOB after the throwin is released to be a violation instead of a T...and just give it a time limit of 3 seconds after the release that they have to be inbounds. It doesn't matter if they run across the court in that time, just as long as they get in.

I like this one Camron.

BBrules Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:32pm

Simplify the backcourt violation rules

Cobra Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 709254)
Coaches calling timeouts while play is live on the court.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709262)
I would say no timeouts even if the ball is dead if the clock is running.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709291)
Huh?

What? He says no coach timeouts while the ball is live. I say it should also include when the ball is dead if the clock is running. What do you not understand?

TimTaylor Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by back in the saddle (Post 709385)
not grant a hc's time out request unless the ball is dead and the clock is stopped. I'd settle for unless the ball is dead, but would prefer both dead ball and stopped clock.

+10

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBrules (Post 709411)
Simplify the backcourt violation rules

How?

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:06pm

Get rid of that stupid BC interp. I'd be satisfied with that.

IowaMike Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709293)
1) Drop 30s and fulls and go with five 45s

2) Go to two 16-min halves

I like both of those.

Larks Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709416)
What? He says no coach timeouts while the ball is live. I say it should also include when the ball is dead if the clock is running. What do you not understand?

Other than on a made basket for the purposes of the correctable errors, when is that? You will never get coaches to agree with that one because they need those TOs to extend the game.

BBrules Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709423)
Get rid of that stupid BC interp. I'd be satisfied with that.

Me, too. Perhaps a change in the team control aspect.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 22, 2010 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 709254)
Coaches calling timeouts while play is live on the court.

I don't get it. You mean you want coaches to be able to call timeouts now?

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709285)
Whoa, you may want to re-think that one, chseagle. The idea of a warm-up is to warm up. It's not only to get into game mode but it's a safety factor. That's why officials warm-up before a game also.

Ok how about instead of 20 minute warm-ups, make the warm-up period 10 minutes (9 minutes to warm-up with the 1 minute to huddle)? With during halftime, the teams getting 5 minutes to talk (in locker room) & 4 minutes to warm-up (With the 1 minute still to huddle).

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 709288)
Wait, the officials are supposed to warm up? ... oh, you mean the floor officials! Well, that makes more sense...

Anytime exercise is involved a person is supposed to do warm-ups to help the body prepare. I actually do some finger stretching & other arm movements beforehand.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709455)
I actually do some finger stretching & other arm movements beforehand.

You mean before dates?

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709455)
Ok how about instead of 20 minute warm-ups, make the warm-up period 10 minutes (9 minutes to warm-up with the 1 minute to huddle)? With during halftime, the teams getting 5 minutes to talk (in locker room) & 4 minutes to warm-up (With the 1 minute still to huddle).

Well, half-time is already 10 minutes; the coach just gets to make the decision on how to break it down.

As for pre-game warm-ups, there's no rule I'm aware of that even deals with its timing. Why do you feel the need to regulate those things? Or are you making jokes again?

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:38pm

I thought married people never had dates

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 709456)
You mean before dates?


Cobra Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709441)
Other than on a made basket for the purposes of the correctable errors, when is that? You will never get coaches to agree with that one because they need those TOs to extend the game.

Why are you talking about correctable errors? What does that have to do with coaches requesting timeouts?

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:44pm

Some leagues do have specific timing rules for pre-game. Here now we are doing 15-minute pre-game instead of 20.

Initially I was going to say 5 minute pre-game.

For the halftime breakdown, I've seen it too many times where a team stays in the locker room till the minute/less than minute mark where they have no chance to warm-up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709457)
Well, half-time is already 10 minutes; the coach just gets to make the decision on how to break it down.

As for pre-game warm-ups, there's no rule I'm aware of that even deals with its timing. Why do you feel the need to regulate those things? Or are you making jokes again?


Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709455)
1) Ok how about instead of 20 minute warm-ups, make the warm-up period 10 minutes (9 minutes to warm-up with the 1 minute to huddle)? With during halftime, the teams getting 5 minutes to talk (in locker room) & 4 minutes to warm-up (With the 1 minute still to huddle).

2) Anytime exercise is involved a person is supposed to do warm-ups to help the body prepare. I actually do some finger stretching & other arm movements beforehand.

1) What 20 minute warm-up? The warm-up period is whatever the coach wants it to be in his opinion to adequately prepare his team for the game. Sometimes his choices might be limited by a previous game that was played though. If there was no previous game, a team could warm-up for 14 hours if they wanted to. All we referees have to worry about is what happens during our jurisdiction, not during the warm-up. And our jurisdiction is when we come out on the floor, with the coda that it should be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

2) Me too, but it's to prepare for those post-game brownpop curls. Gotta stay in shape.

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709463)
Some leagues do have specific timing rules for pre-game. Here now we are doing 15-minute pre-game instead of 20.

Initially I was going to say 5 minute pre-game.

For the halftime breakdown, I've seen it too many times where a team stays in the locker room till the minute/less than minute mark where they have no chance to warm-up.

Again, why would you want the NFHS to regulate this?

As for the half-time breakdown, same question. Why do you want to tell a coach how to use his 10 minutes?

Let it go, it ain't broke.

chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 04:58pm

Why is game management told to notify the officials 3 minutes before the end of halftime?

To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Here's another rule I'd like to see change: Only one scorebook allowed at the table.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709466)
Again, why would you want the NFHS to regulate this?

As for the half-time breakdown, same question. Why do you want to tell a coach how to use his 10 minutes?

Let it go, it ain't broke.


Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709467)
Why is game management told to notify the officials 3 minutes before the end of halftime?

To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Here's another rule I'd like to see change: Only one scorebook allowed at the table.

No, you're told to notify them so they know how much time is left. You're not regulating how they use it in any way.

Why in the world would you want to remove the visitors' book from the table?

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 709467)
To regulate the time used during halftime would allow both teams equal time to warm-up.

Why? :confused: People make mistakes, believe it or not. And believe it or not, that even includes scorekeepers. And I hate to say it , but I have heard tales of home scorekeepers actually doing sumthin' to their scorebook to help out the home team. :eek:

Having a second book there is a check and balance, and an aid to accurate and fair scorekeeping.

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709470)
And believe it or not, that even includes scorekeepers.

Now you're just talking crazy.

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:07pm

We are required in WI to be on the court when the clock starts (with 20 minutes on it). That's the time set after the JV game completes and we are expected to be on the floor for all of it.

In a boys game, we have to watch for dunking. Fine, I'll buy that, although I don't necessarily think the officials need to enforce this. Every team is at home for 50% of the games and no coach/AD wants their equipment damaged. This could be managed by game management easily enough. We don't watch for dunking the other 23 hours, 40 minutes of the day.

In a girls game, we should come out at 15, have the captains meeting at 12, check the books at 10, and then head back in for some stretching until 2 minutes on the clock. Nope, instead we have to stand out there for the entire 20 minutes.

That's what I'd change, at least where I live.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 709388)
Are they going to raise our game fees 12.5%?

Don't you mean 6.25%? There would be two minutes gone that now exists between the 1st & 2nd qtr and the 3rd & 4th qtr.;)

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 05:47pm

Almost forgot this one...Delay of Game warning for tying shoe[s] on FT lane line as shooter is prepared to receive ball from administering official . :rolleyes:

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709487)
Don't you mean 6.25%? There would be two minutes gone that now exists between the 1st & 2nd qtr and the 3rd & 4th qtr.;)

Nope, those aren't working times. Just a simple 36:32 calculation for me. I'm willing to bet we'd get paid exactly the same and we'd be told to pound sand.

I don't get why everyone wants to add playing time. Just do 2 16-minute halves and give each team an extra 30 second timeout. Easy enough.

dougolf2 Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:16pm

I agree. I am not the fashion police.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 06:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougolf2 (Post 709499)
I agree. I am not the fashion police.

Yes, we are. We may not desire to be, but that is immaterial.

Texas Aggie Wed Dec 22, 2010 08:18pm

Allow a team to "decline" any penalty -- usually a free throw, but could be shots and the ball -- for a throw in at the place of their choosing. OK, leave out the choosing part and stay at nearest spot, if you like.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 08:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 709515)
Allow a team to "decline" any penalty -- usually a free throw, but could be shots and the ball -- for a throw in at the place of their choosing. OK, leave out the choosing part and stay at nearest spot, if you like.

I hope this isn't leading to a coach throwing a red flag...

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 09:40pm

Just My Opinion ...
 
Hot, single, moms sit in the front row of the bleachers.

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 09:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709531)
Hot, single, moms sit in the front row of the bleachers.

You need to discuss that with crowd control.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 09:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709531)
Hot, single, moms sit in the front row of the bleachers.

Including the ones that holler "3 seconds"?

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:01pm

No Little Blue Pill For Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709535)
Including the ones that holler "3 seconds"?

They must have talked to my ex.

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709542)
They must have talked to my ex.

He said three seconds not three ... Nevermind.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 23, 2010 01:38am

Change the backcourt rule such that frontcourt status is not established and no violation can occur when an airborne player establishes team control....that an airborne player who established team control and always make a normal landing even if someone else touches the ball first (i.e., ends the throwin).

CHSLadyEagle Thu Dec 23, 2010 03:26am

Hockeyfied BB
 
I'd probably change it to where instead of a 2nd OT, go to a shootout, best of 5 like Hockey. :D

bainsey Thu Dec 23, 2010 04:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 709515)
Allow a team to "decline" any penalty -- usually a free throw, but could be shots and the ball -- for a throw in at the place of their choosing. OK, leave out the choosing part and stay at nearest spot, if you like.

I'd actually like to experiment with this rule: two/three shots OR the ball. I don't know if it will discourage late-game fouls, but it's worth trying.

Adam Thu Dec 23, 2010 07:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 709615)
I'd actually like to experiment with this rule: two/three shots OR the ball. I don't know if it will discourage late-game fouls, but it's worth trying.

I disagree. I like the rule as it is. In a game where the trailing team tries to foul to catch up, how many fouls do you typically see for this purpose? Two, three, four at most? Note, I'm not asking for the worst case scenario, just the typical situation. I don't think it's broken.

And if we (me included) would call the intentional when it's warranted, it would also reduce it.

Adam Thu Dec 23, 2010 07:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHSLadyEagle (Post 709613)
I'd probably change it to where instead of a 2nd OT, go to a shootout, best of 5 like Hockey. :D

What's hockey?

Oh yeah, it's soccre on ice skates.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709623)
What's hockey?

Oh yeah, it's soccre on ice skates.

Soccer has legal bodychecking?

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709542)
They must have talked to my ex.

Now that was funny.....

Adam Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709632)
Soccer has legal bodychecking?

I've heard indoor soccre can be brutal.

Larks Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709460)
I would say no timeouts even if the ball is dead if the clock is running.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709460)
Why are you talking about correctable errors? What does that have to do with coaches requesting timeouts?

I asked you...when is the clock running and the ball is dead?

My point was...and correct me if I am wrong....when the ball checks through the net on a field goal, it becomes dead and then instantly alive for the purposes of the correctable error rules.

Maybe my caffeine hasn't kicked in yet but I don't know any other time that the ball is dead while the clock is moving.

Anyone??

Larks Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:14am

Have non participants announced at the 4 minute mark in warm ups.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709661)
I asked you...when is the clock running and the ball is dead?

My point was...and correct me if I am wrong....when the ball checks through the net on a field goal, it becomes dead and then instantly alive for the purposes of the correctable error rules.

Maybe my caffeine hasn't kicked in yet but I don't know any other time that the ball is dead while the clock is moving.

Anyone??

The ball doesn't come "instantly" alive. It becomes alive only when it's at the other team's disposal.

I think someone's point (but I could be wrong) is that they would (or wouldn't) allow a coach to request a TO even after a made basket.

While all this is a nice "fantasy", it will never happen -- the coaches like the rule as it is and won't give up the ability to request TO.

Raymond Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:22am

If I could change one rule, it would be....
 
illegal to play with one contact lense.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHSLadyEagle (Post 709613)
I'd probably change it to where instead of a 2nd OT, go to a shootout, best of 5 like Hockey. :D

Shaq would HATE that.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 709666)
illegal to play with one contact lense.

Or make it a technical.

Larks Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 709663)
The ball doesn't come "instantly" alive. It becomes alive only when it's at the other team's disposal.

Not to nit pick but, are you saying that a foul committed in the interim between "checking the net" and "at the disposal" is technical? (dead ball contact)

I agree, I think he meant to suggest no time outs after a made basket. I agree with you, that will never happen.

Adam Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709661)
My point was...and correct me if I am wrong....when the ball checks through the net on a field goal, it becomes dead and then instantly alive for the purposes of the correctable error rules.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. For all rule purposes, the ball does not become live instantly. It becomes live once it's "at the disposal" even for CE purposes. Am I missing something?

bob jenkins Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709669)
Not to nit pick but, are you saying that a foul committed in the interim between "checking the net" and "at the disposal" is technical? (dead ball contact)

If it's a foul (that is, if it's intentional or flagrant), yes, it's a T.

If it's not intentional or flagrant (nor committed on or by an airborne shooter), then the contact is ignored (meaning no foul; the official might want to note / address it).

Larks Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:39am

I stand corrected....

6-7-1 - dead when a goal is made
6-1-2b - live at the disposal

bainsey Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709632)
Soccer has legal bodychecking?

In a sense, yes. They're called "legal fair charges."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
And if we (me included) would call the intentional when it's warranted, it would also reduce it.

I don't know about the reduction, but at least it would teach the kids that, if you're going to foul, at least make an effort to steal!

BktBallRef Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 709663)
The ball doesn't come "instantly" alive. It becomes alive only when it's at the other team's disposal.

I think someone's point (but I could be wrong) is that they would (or wouldn't) allow a coach to request a TO even after a made basket.

While all this is a nice "fantasy", it will never happen -- the coaches like the rule as it is and won't give up the ability to request TO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709661)
I asked you...when is the clock running and the ball is dead?

My point was...and correct me if I am wrong....when the ball checks through the net on a field goal, it becomes dead and then instantly alive for the purposes of the correctable error rules.

For the record, the ball is always either dead or live....but never ALIVE. :D

Raymond Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 709669)
Not to nit pick but, are you saying that a foul committed in the interim between "checking the net" and "at the disposal" is technical? (dead ball contact)
...


I called a Technical on kid during this timeframe this season. A1 makes a shot and then turns and shoots an elbow to B1's chest.

Cobra Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709622)
I disagree. I like the rule as it is. In a game where the trailing team tries to foul to catch up, how many fouls do you typically see for this purpose? Two, three, four at most? Note, I'm not asking for the worst case scenario, just the typical situation. I don't think it's broken.

The problem is that there are 3 point field goals now but the number of free throws has not been adjusted. Back in the day you could make as many points on free throws after a foul as the other team could get with a field goal.

There should be a third free throw call the "extra bonus" or something. It is only awarded after 12 or 13 fouls and only if the first 2 free throws are successful. I guess that would be that a player fouled while shooting would also have to be awarded the extra bonus if he made the first two also.

Adam Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 709724)
The problem is that there are 3 point field goals now but the number of free throws has not been adjusted. Back in the day you could make as many points on free throws after a foul as the other team could get with a field goal.

There should be a third free throw call the "extra bonus" or something. It is only awarded after 12 or 13 fouls and only if the first 2 free throws are successful. I guess that would be that a player fouled while shooting would also have to be awarded the extra bonus if he made the first two also.

This makes sense to me. I'm not sure the adjustment would need to be made to the shooting foul, though.

ref3808 Thu Dec 23, 2010 01:01pm

Get rid of AP
 
Go to a jump ball.

If I'm a defensive player and I've legally created a jump ball situation why do I get penalized for making a smart play based on an arrow?

If I'm an offensive player and I've not protected the ball sufficently than I deserve whatever result comes from the jump.

I think that player has earned the right to contest for the ball as part of competing.

I know some of us are concerned about throwing a good jump ball in a close contest, but I think that skill would improve as more jumps are administered.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 23, 2010 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 709739)
Go to a jump ball.

If I'm a defensive player and I've legally created a jump ball situation why do I get penalized for making a smart play based on an arrow?

If I'm an offensive player and I've not protected the ball sufficently than I deserve whatever result comes from the jump.

I think that player has earned the right to contest for the ball as part of competing.

I know some of us are concerned about throwing a good jump ball in a close contest, but I think that skill would improve as more jumps are administered.

If the defensive player had done a good enough job, they would have taken the ball from the offense. They didn't, so they don't deserve anything.

And, by the same reasoning, the offense didn't do a perfect job either.

Scratch85 Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:32pm

This will not be popular!!
 
I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game. Give the first (start of game) possession to the V. Then alternate at each quarter regardless of AP arrow. Reset AP with possession at each quarter.

Kind of like "first bats" and "last bats" in baseball. Given the AP it will still awlays be within one of being even. And, Home team will have possession to start the 4th quarter.

BillyMac Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:56pm

Will You Marry Me ???
 
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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709872)
I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game.

Now here's a gal with a really intelligent suggestion. She's a keeper.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709872)
I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game. Give the first (start of game) possession to the V. Then alternate at each quarter regardless of AP arrow. Reset AP with possession at each quarter.

Kind of like "first bats" and "last bats" in baseball. Given the AP it will still awlays be within one of being even. And, Home team will have possession to start the 4th quarter.

I have no problem with that.

Scratch85 Thu Dec 23, 2010 09:41pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709878)
Now here's a gal with a really intelligent suggestion. She's a keeper.

I don't think a marriage between us is recognized in my State. Can't speak for your State but my wife might struggle with it! :p

bainsey Fri Dec 24, 2010 02:05am

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709872)
I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game.

Okay, so what about overtime periods?

chseagle Fri Dec 24, 2010 03:12am

Ok here's another idea, especially since just went through a 2 OT game, since OT is considered an extension of the 4th quarter (2nd half in college), have OT start like the resumption of play after halftime.

I like the idea of 16 minute halves instead or 8 minute quarters. That would take away 2 1-minute official TOs & could make the game go a bit faster.

zm1283 Fri Dec 24, 2010 09:12am

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 709739)
Go to a jump ball.

If I'm a defensive player and I've legally created a jump ball situation why do I get penalized for making a smart play based on an arrow?

If I'm an offensive player and I've not protected the ball sufficently than I deserve whatever result comes from the jump.

I think that player has earned the right to contest for the ball as part of competing.

I know some of us are concerned about throwing a good jump ball in a close contest, but I think that skill would improve as more jumps are administered.

We have games (mostly girls games) around here that last entirely too long as it is, partly because there are so many held balls. This would extend them even longer. I don't like it.

26 Year Gap Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 709739)
Go to a jump ball.

If I'm a defensive player and I've legally created a jump ball situation why do I get penalized for making a smart play based on an arrow?

If I'm an offensive player and I've not protected the ball sufficently than I deserve whatever result comes from the jump.

I think that player has earned the right to contest for the ball as part of competing.

I know some of us are concerned about throwing a good jump ball in a close contest, but I think that skill would improve as more jumps are administered.

You obviously did not officiate before the gap.

BillyMac Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:09am

No Way In The World ...
 
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 709950)
We have games (mostly girls games) around here that last entirely too long as it is, partly because there are so many held balls. This would extend them even longer.

Been there. Done that. Pre-1985. No way I'm going back.

26 Year Gap Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 709872)
I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game. Give the first (start of game) possession to the V. Then alternate at each quarter regardless of AP arrow. Reset AP with possession at each quarter.

Kind of like "first bats" and "last bats" in baseball. Given the AP it will still awlays be within one of being even. And, Home team will have possession to start the 4th quarter.

Why complicate it? Give the ball to V to start the game and use the AP for the balance of the game including OT.


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