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chseagle Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:49am

A person could of heard crickets if the crowd was that small, the attendance was over 16,000.

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709246)
Didn't JR say there were 89?


just another ref Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:50am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 709211)
Irrelevant...athleticism does not equate to "basketball". Lots of slam dunk phenoms can't play. And men are clearly better at athleticism. I don't think anyone has ever debated that point.

However, if you're talking about "pure basketball"...passing, screening, teamwork, etc., there is no reason why women couldn't be just as good or better.

Actually athleticism does play a part in all of it. More physical strength makes it possible to make the tough pass. More speed and quickness makes it possible to get in position to make the screen. But the main point is the addition of athleticism changes the overall game so much that I find it difficult to compare the two and find it unacceptable that the women feel that they have "broken the men's record."

Camron Rust Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:55am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 709256)
Actually athleticism does play a part in all of it. More physical strength makes it possible to make the tough pass. More speed and quickness makes it possible to get in position to make the screen. But the main point is the addition of athleticism changes the overall game so much that I find it difficult to compare the two and find it unacceptable that the women feel that they have "broken the men's record."

The extra athleticism is balanced by the extra athleticism of the opposing team. The ability to get to a new position quicker is countered by an opponent doing the same. Yes, the women are slower, but, that doesn't automatically make them worse. It is entirely possible that they could execute a better "game". I'm not saying I enjoy it or thing is is more fun to watch, I don't generally watch it much at all...but the elements of execution do not necessarily correlate to the absolute speed at which they are executed but relative to the base abilities of those involved.

Cobra Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:33am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 709211)
Irrelevant...athleticism does not equate to "basketball". Lots of slam dunk phenoms can't play.

He can't play compared to other men. Put that guy on the women's team at his high school and it would shock me if he wasn't the best player on the team.

Of course there are some things, like teamwork, that the men and women can do equally as well, but you are not more likely to see those things in a women's game. You might as well just watch the men's games because the level of play is so much higher. I would think that an average men's team would beat this UCONN team by 80 points every game. That is only outscoring them by 2 points per minute which might even be too low. When the level of play is that much lower I don't really see how it could be considered a "good" game no matter how well they pass and how much teamwork they use.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:35am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 709211)
However, if you're talking about "pure basketball"...passing, screening, teamwork, etc., there is no reason why women couldn't be just as good or better.

That, of course, doesn't make it more fun to watch, but it could be "better".

+1.

Some womens college teams have better fundamentals than either some D1 mens teams or NBA teams.

But it's still boring to me. It's up to the individual whether they want to watch it, same as any sport.

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:36am

Checkmate ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 709133)
It just total apples and oranges. If there's some guy who wins 90 NCAA games of chess in a row, does he break the record?

Depends? Did he have to play against women?

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 07:38am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709282)
Depends? Men's chess, or women's chess?

Competitive or non-competitive?

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:43am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709283)
Competitive or non-competitive?

Running clock rule or no running clock rule?

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:46am

Day game or night game?

CoachP Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:10am

Maybe Tony knows, or if I wasn't too lazy today, I'd google it...But I believe I heard UNC womens soccer had a streak of over 100 wins in a row with over 15 national championships in the last 20-30 years?

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:14am

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 709338)
Maybe Tony cares, or if I wasn't too lazy today, I'd google it...But I believe I heard UNC womens soccer had a streak of over 100 wins in a row with over 15 national championships in the last 20-30 years?

Guess I am the fix-it guy today.:D

CoachP Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:19am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709340)
Guess I am the fix-it guy today.:D

Probably just as accurate.:)

dsqrddgd909 Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709134)
As some caller said on the radio, "The women are better at the fundamentals. The fundamentals are boring."

I was with you until then. :eek:

just another ref Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:58pm

To summarize: (about time, too)

How can you possibly think you broke my record if you never
did/will/could possibly compete directly against me or even in a format which was anywhere near the same?

rockyroad Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:08pm

The Penn State Women's Volleyball team had a win streak of 109 matches going until it was broken in September. Why aren't they getting more press than UConn?

It's nice that they have a record for Women's Basketball...but that's all it is.


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