A first I did not want

[Welpe]

I know this is a part of growing as an official but I had a first last Friday that I really wanted to avoid.

I had my first blarge.

It was during a freshman game while I was at trail. Dribbler drives in from outside the three point arc on my side, secondary defender slips into the paint, and stays rock still. Dribbler gathers, takes a step and levels the defender. Since the play came from my primary, I hit the whistle hard and come out with an offensive foul....just as my partner is signaling block.

$%&@

I didn't even hear his whistle.

I get together with him and confirm we're going double foul...he seems rather...lost but hesitantly agrees. I report the double foul to the table and mass confusion is unleashed. We sort it out and give the ball back to Team A for the throw-in.

At the half, I ask my partner what he saw. He had the defender turning his shoulders at contact. We simply saw it differently. I explained why I made the call, since it came out of my primary.

I screwed up in a couple of ways:

• I didn't pre-game this situation with my partner. I did ask if he had anything to pre-game and instead of taking his answer of "no", I should have persisted and gone over a few things.
• I didn't hear his whistle also and rolled right into the call. Not sure how to deal with this one. Perhaps hesitate a split second to make eye contact with my partner on these types of plays, even if I don't hear a whistle?

Thanks for letting me vent.

Ugh, I need a shower now.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

At the half, I ask my partner what he saw. He had the defender turning his shoulders at contact.

Did the defender turn his shoulder away from the dribbler to prepare for imminent contact? If so, why did he go with a block? If the defender turned into the dribbler I can see block.

[Welpe]

He didn't really say...not wanting to throw him under the bus but he and I did not exactly agree about what a defender with LGP was allowed to do.

[Adam]

Ugh, your partner also has the rule wrong.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ugh, your partner also has the rule wrong.

Not really. The guard could be moving his shoulders forward when the contact occurred.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Not really. The guard could be moving his shoulders forward when the contact occurred.

Yep, based on the statement he was "turning his shoulders" at contact, one shoulder was likely moving towards the dribbler. Still a PC foul.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, based on the statement he was "turning his shoulders" at contact, one shoulder was likely moving towards the dribbler. Still a PC foul.

If the guard is moving towards the dribbler when contact occurs then the guard is responsible for the contact and it would not be a PC foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Cobra

If the guard is moving towards the dribbler when contact occurs then the guard is responsible for the contact and it would not be a PC foul.

Most of the time, it would be, but not necessarily.

I'm not calling a block on a guard who has LGP but twitches forward a small amount just before a major collision.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It was during a freshman game while I was at trail.

For whatever reason, it's harder for L to hold the whistle than it is for T or C to hold the whistle.

Keep this in mind even if you don't have a pre-game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I didn't hear his whistle also and rolled right into the call. Not sure how to deal with this one. Perhaps hesitate a split second to make eye contact with my partner on these types of plays, even if I don't hear a whistle?

I'm betting you didn't first raise your fist to indicate you had a foul. You went straight with the punch the other way.

Raising a fist, like you do for any other foul, usually will help you avoid this sitch. It causes you to "hesitate a split second to make eye contact with my partner."

[Welpe]

Good advice Bob, thanks.

Tony, I know I did raise my fist but it was probably only long enough to roll into the PC foul signal. Good food for thought, thanks.

[mbyron]

Why did A get the ball back? Not saying you did it wrong, just wondering.

[Welpe]

We went to the arrow...

Team A was still in possession when the whistles were blown.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Welpe

We went to the arrow...

Team A was still in possesion when the whistles were blown.

Are you sure that is the right answer?

[tjchamp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

We went to the arrow...

Team A was still in possesion when the whistles were blown.

If team A was still in possession, wouldn't they get the ball via point of interruption? Go to the arrow if there was no team control (think shot released).