Quite the oddness

[Adam]

Passing to the other team isn't even bad strategy; it's applied sarcasm.

A team that's down and stalling could be trying to keep the score low so they have a chance at the end.
A team that's up big and pressing could have valid reasons for doing so; respect for their opponent could be among them.

That said, I still don't think I'd do anything unless it continued past more than a handful of times. At that point, I'd ask the coach if he'd just like to forfeit.

[ODJ]

I have a warning, not a T, and I certainly don't have a conversation with him in a secluded spot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

JAR That is fine. But a case could be made that running up a score is an absurd representation of the game. It definetly gives a distorted representation of the game. What about the team who is down big, but refuses to initiate any offense? That is absurd.
Passing to the other team on purpose is bad strategy as well.

Scoring IS what a team is supposed to do. Continuing to score is generally expected.

Being down big and holding the ball could be an attempt at a secondary goal of holding their opponents to under a certain number of points.


Deliberately turning the ball over has no valid purpose.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Scoring IS what a team is supposed to do. Continuing to score is generally expected.

Being down big and holding the ball could be an attempt at a secondary goal of holding their opponents to under a certain number of points.


Deliberately turning the ball over has no valid purpose.

+1

Pressing with a big lead and running up the score is a coach's decision. Neither has got anything to do with us. Whether we like it or not, it's part of the game and we have to deal with the fallout. No matter what, the teams are still expected to play. If there's any complaints, let the league or governing body deal with it.

Deliberately giving the ball to the opposing team is not an accepted part of the game though. Giving the other team the ball is not playing the game; it's making a farce out of the game.

I'd warn and then forfeit.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Scoring IS what a team is supposed to do. Continuing to score is generally expected.

Being down big and holding the ball could be an attempt at a secondary goal of holding their opponents to under a certain number of points.


Deliberately turning the ball over has no valid purpose.

Your first and second point sort of contradict each other. If you are SUPPOSED to score then why stall? In fact, if you pass the ball to the other team then THEY are scoring, so it falls under your first point. Giving the ball to the other team CAN serve a purpose. It could embarass the pressing coach and thus they called the press off. Why isn't that a valid reason? Who knows, the coach who was pressing may get fed up and take THEIR team off the floor forfiet? Far fetched maybe, but who is to say?
To JUR's point, if pressing is a coaches decision, the OP said that the coach wanted his team to pass to the other team. THAT is a coach's decision as well. I still don't see much of a difference between what that coach did and coaches who deliberately press clearly inferior teams. The pressing coach is making a travesty of the game similar to the OP coach, just in a different way and one we see too often, IMO. It the coach wants to forfiet, they can call a TO and/or take their team off the floor, they don't need any help from me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Your first and second point sort of contradict each other. If you are SUPPOSED to score then why stall? In fact, if you pass the ball to the other team then THEY are scoring, so it falls under your first point. Giving the ball to the other team CAN serve a purpose. It could embarass the pressing coach and thus they called the press off. Why isn't that a valid reason? Who knows, the coach who was pressing may get fed up and take THEIR team off the floor forfiet? Far fetched maybe, but who is to say?
To JUR's point, if pressing is a coaches decision, the OP said that the coach wanted his team to pass to the other team. THAT is a coach's decision as well. I still don't see much of a difference between what that coach did and coaches who deliberately press clearly inferior teams. The pressing coach is making a travesty of the game similar to the OP coach, just in a different way and one we see too often, IMO. It the coach wants to forfiet, they can call a TO and/or take their team off the floor, they don't need any help from me.

Question: How many times would you permit this before stepping in?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Question: How many times would you permit this before stepping in?

How much time is left in the game?
I do agree that it is implied/applied sarcasm btw. But I don't have much a problem with it. The rule book talks about sportsmanship, not sarcasm. If you can't tell, I have more of a problem with coaches who run up the score and take advantage of teams that are less talented. Real Life Ex: We have a team that has the anti UConn streak - They have lost 83 in a row. Last year a team played them and they were told to keep them under 10 and score over 100 for the game or else they would run. Really? When we play them we use it as a scrimmage and try different players at different positions. We still win by 40 odd points, but we don't press and play our starters about 1 and 1/2 quarters.
I totally would understand if this coach did the same thing as the coach in the OP. It would make the paper and the pressing coach would be excoriated in the local media.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

How much time is left in the game?
I do agree that it is implied/applied sarcasm btw. But I don't have much a problem with it. The rule book talks about sportsmanship, not sarcasm. If you can't tell, I have more of a problem with coaches who run up the score and take advantage of teams that are less talented. Real Life Ex: We have a team that has the anti UConn streak - They have lost 83 in a row. Last year a team played them and they were told to keep them under 10 and score over 100 for the game or else they would run. Really? When we play them we use it as a scrimmage and try different players at different positions. We still win by 40 odd points, but we don't press and play our starters about 1 and 1/2 quarters.
I totally would understand if this coach did the same thing as the coach in the OP. It would make the paper and the pressing coach would be excoriated in the local media.

Does it matter? In the OP, it's the 2nd quarter with a 10-12 point lead. Way too early to get pi$$y about a press.

It's the same thing as forfeiting, IMO. And it teaches the players the same lesson as walking off.

[Judtech]

SNAQ daddy- I meant it as I will let it go for as much time is left in the game. In this case, when half time arrived I would head over to the table and see if the teams were going to come out in the second half. It if was in the second half I would do the same at the end of the 3rd. I am just not convinced that it is my job to suspend/forfeit the game in this case. Both teams have plenty of players and there are no safety concerns so I'd let em play and let the powers that be take care of those two coaches.
IMO, it is needless inserting ourselves where we are not needed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

SNAQ daddy- I meant it as I will let it go for as much time is left in the game. In this case, when half time arrived I would head over to the table and see if the teams were going to come out in the second half. It if was in the second half I would do the same at the end of the 3rd. I am just not convinced that it is my job to suspend/forfeit the game in this case. Both teams have plenty of players and there are no safety concerns so I'd let em play and let the powers that be take care of those two coaches.
IMO, it is needless inserting ourselves where we are not needed.

Fair enough; we'd handle it differently. Once it became obvious he's not stopping, I'm asking if he wants to forfeit. I'm sorry, but it's just not comparable to the other issues mentioned so far.

Once a coach gets to this point, though, it's going to escalate quickly IMO.

And if I'm the other coach and he pulled that on me with a 12 point lead in the 2nd quarter, I'll keep scoring as long as he's giving me the ball. You can also bet I'd press longer, too.

[Judtech]

I agree that it is an odd thing to do at that point in the game and with that point differential. A 12 pt differential can evaporate quickly, especially, IMO Girls BB. A 20 pt differential seems to be a safe number, based on experience. If you are under 6 min in the 4th quarter up 20 and pressing.....you might be a moron HA. I kid I kid, not really, ok I kid I kid!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I agree that it is an odd thing to do at that point in the game and with that point differential. A 12 pt differential can evaporate quickly, especially, IMO Girls BB. A 20 pt differential seems to be a safe number, based on experience. If you are under 6 min in the 4th quarter up 20 and pressing.....you might be a moron HA. I kid I kid, not really, ok I kid I kid!

Back in Iowa, I worked a frosh girls game between a perennial powerhouse and a bottom dweller. Powerhouse pulled their press after three or four possessions once it became obvious the other team just couldn't handle it at all. They didn't need it, but it was there if they ended up needing it later.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Back in Iowa, I worked a frosh girls game between a perennial powerhouse and a bottom dweller. Powerhouse pulled their press after three or four possessions once it became obvious the other team just couldn't handle it at all. They didn't need it, but it was there if they ended up needing it later.

See we agree on more than we disagree on!! (I hope it won't bring your board standing down!)
BTW the two worst things to happen in HS BB IMO, were the elimination of Single Class basketball in my home state of Indiana and the elimination of 6 v 6 girls basketball in Iowa.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

See we agree on more than we disagree on!! (I hope it won't bring your board standing down!)
BTW the two worst things to happen in HS BB IMO, were the elimination of Single Class basketball in my home state of Indiana and the elimination of 6 v 6 girls basketball in Iowa.

My board standing is shaky at best anyway. I'm fine.

Especially since I disagree with your last point. One year after I graduated high school, they played the last 6 player tournament in Des Moines. I don't think anyone missed it within about 5 years.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My board standing is shaky at best anyway.

Never shoulda put on that hat.