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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:38am
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The referee is responsible for making sure the teams are notified at the 3 minute mark. That's where our responsibilities end. It's the coach's responsibility to have his team back on the floor. I may tell the scorer that he/she may want to go find their team but I'm not sending my U1 or U2 to go to a locker room to get a team. We're not babysitters.[/QUOTE]

I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul. It won't get any prettier after that.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:43am
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Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:47am
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I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 01:39am
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Saw a playoff game last year.

Officials came back on to the floor with maybe 30 seconds left on the clock, when Team B wasn't there at 0:00, called a Technical foul. No 1 minute on the clock. No getting the timer to initiate an "SOS" via horn soundings. I was not impressed. Would have felt they were in a stronger position if the crew was back on the floor earlier working to get the team back.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 04:16am
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Resuming play is not used following halftime. Resuming play is when both teams are present and have been present but not responding to the signals to resume play.

After halftime, the team has 1 full minute after halftime expires before the T is charged. Until that time has elapsed, nothing is done.

See 10-1-5:
Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start either half.

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball.....See 7-5-1....for the resumption of play procudure to use.....The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations

The specific situations referred to in part "b" of this rule only apply on timeouts, the intermission between the 1st and 2nd quarters, and the intermissions between the 3rd and 4th quarters. Not the halftime intermissions. Part "a" covers the return from halftime. If part b were to apply after halftime, part "a" wouldn't need to exist and couldn't be reached.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 11:15am
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10-1-5.
Thanks guys. That's the citation that I was looking for.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 06:55pm
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Resuming play is not used following halftime.
I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 07:00pm
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I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)
NFHS 4-38: RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in
play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout
or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second
half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a
technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

NFHS 10-1-5: A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being
ready when it is time to start either half.
b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 07:21pm
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I think that's true in NCAA, but not in FED. See 4-38 (FED, 2009-10 book)
If you had quoted my entire post, you'd have realized that i was talking about when a team is not present when halftime ends.

I said: Resuming play is not used following halftime. Resuming play is when both teams are present and have been present but not responding to the signals to resume play.

RPP is not used following halftime if the reason is that a team is not present (the topic of this thread).
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 11:26am
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I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.
Actually, the rules require you to take action at the 3:00 mark.

After that, the ball's in the coach's corner. Just do your job and let the chips fall where they may.
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Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.
We just had the situation this past Saturday night. We got out to the floor at about the 2:30 mark (in Ohio -- Central Ohio, anyway -- it is customary for game management to get us at the 3:00 mark) of the halftime intermission. The home team was already on the floor, but no sign of the visitors. I just tracked down game management to get the visiting team.

They returned to floor -- on the sprint -- just as the second horn was sounding. Naturally, the home coach was requesting that the ball be put into play. We waited until the visiting team's bench personnel got off of the floor and we started the second half.

The game ended up being a two point game. I am really happy that we were able to wait the extra couple seconds (as the rules allow) for us to resume the second half. The rest of the game would have been a mess had we been forced to start the second half with a technical -- which we would have had to do had another 50 seconds or so gone by.....
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In Wisconsin, it's usually someone at the table who notifies us and the 2 teams at 3:00. In this situation, I would simply ask that person if the teams had been notified. If not, I'm asking them to go do it and will give the team a reasonable amount of time to come out -- I'm likely not adding time back to the clock, though, as one of the coaches could certainly look at a watch when leaving the gym.

I'm not chasing after the teams after this and after a reasonable delay would assess a technical foul.
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I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul.
Agree. Start the second half with a jump ball the way God, and Dr. Naismith, intended it to be. Wait a minute. Sorry. I was having another flashback to the seventies.

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Agree. Start the second half with a jump ball the way God, and Dr. Naismith, intended it to be. Wait a minute. Sorry. I was having another flashback to the seventies.


Sounds good to me.

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I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul. It won't get any prettier after that.
Not me: I'm only doing what's reasonable. I'm not bending over backwards to avoid any T.
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