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Old Sat Dec 18, 2010, 10:44pm
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Resumption Of Play, Delay Of Game ???

I was watching the second game of a holiday tournament varsity doubleheader today. Near the end of the halftime intermission only one team is on the court. The other team is nowhere to be seen. Umpire, a buddy of mine, says to me, "I guess that we'll have to put the ball down on the floor to start the second half". I told him that I didn't think that we could do that at the start of the second half if one of the teams wasn't in the gymnasium.

Now that I'm home, I've been trying to read through my rulebook, and casebook, to find out if I was right. I can't find a rule, or an interpretation, that tells us not to put the ball on the floor when one of the teams isn't in the gymnasium. Did I dream up this interpretation, or am I not doing a good job of finding it in the rulebook, or casebook?
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Old Sat Dec 18, 2010, 10:54pm
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This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.
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Old Sat Dec 18, 2010, 11:09pm
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Try 7-5-1. I am also thinking there is a 1 minute time limit but can't think of it off the top of my head. I will edit if/when I find it.(10-5-1a)
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:07am
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Try 7-5-1. I am also thinking there is a 1 minute time limit but can't think of it off the top of my head. I will edit if/when I find it.(10-5-1a)
Very close. 10-1-5a.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 06:04pm
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Very close. 10-1-5a.
Yeah, I knew that but I was just testing the board!!! Thanks for the catch.

BILLY Hopefully it was their earlier stuff. I have some old imports on vinyl from them as well!!

As a part time assistant it is MY responsibility to tell the head coach how much time is left for half time. I know that if I don't let her know I will not be getting dinner (or anything else for that matter!) after the game. Its not like assistant coaches or managers have a lot of other responsibilities at half time.
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Old Sat Dec 18, 2010, 11:43pm
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This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.

In Connecticut there is only a U, right Billy, ?

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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 11:10am
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In Connecticut there is only a U, right Billy.
We do have U2 here in the Constitution State. I just bought one of their CD's a few weeks ago.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:30pm
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We do have U2 here in the Constitution State. I just bought one of their CD's a few weeks ago.

Now you are being a smarta$$ like Andy and Mark, Jr., .

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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:29am
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I was watching the second game of a holiday tournament varsity doubleheader today. Near the end of the halftime intermission only one team is on the court. The other team is nowhere to be seen. Umpire, a buddy of mine, says to me, "I guess that we'll have to put the ball down on the floor to start the second half". I told him that I didn't think that we could do that at the start of the second half if one of the teams wasn't in the gymnasium.

Now that I'm home, I've been trying to read through my rulebook, and casebook, to find out if I was right. I can't find a rule, or an interpretation, that tells us not to put the ball on the floor when one of the teams isn't in the gymnasium. Did I dream up this interpretation, or am I not doing a good job of finding it in the rulebook, or casebook?
You're correct. Resuming play is only used when both teams are on the floor. If one team is not on the floor when the intermission ends, it's a technical foul.

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This is a situation that you should not allow to happen. U1 is responsible for the home team, U2 for the visitors......Preventive officiating deems that the responsible official go to the locker room or send game management to get them prior to the half ending. If you have done all you can, resumption of play and a technical foul for delay is warranted.
The referee is responsible for making sure the teams are notified at the 3 minute mark. That's where our responsibilities end. It's the coach's responsibility to have his team back on the floor. I may tell the scorer that he/she may want to go find their team but I'm not sending my U1 or U2 to go to a locker room to get a team. We're not babysitters.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:38am
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The referee is responsible for making sure the teams are notified at the 3 minute mark. That's where our responsibilities end. It's the coach's responsibility to have his team back on the floor. I may tell the scorer that he/she may want to go find their team but I'm not sending my U1 or U2 to go to a locker room to get a team. We're not babysitters.[/QUOTE]

I hear you, but I am going to do all I can to avoid beginning the game or 2nd half with a technical foul. It won't get any prettier after that.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:43am
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Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 12:47am
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I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.
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Saw a playoff game last year.

Officials came back on to the floor with maybe 30 seconds left on the clock, when Team B wasn't there at 0:00, called a Technical foul. No 1 minute on the clock. No getting the timer to initiate an "SOS" via horn soundings. I was not impressed. Would have felt they were in a stronger position if the crew was back on the floor earlier working to get the team back.
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Old Sun Dec 19, 2010, 11:26am
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I have had to send someone for one team on a couple of occasions, but that is the name of the game...Take action with 2:00 on the clock and all is well.
Actually, the rules require you to take action at the 3:00 mark.

After that, the ball's in the coach's corner. Just do your job and let the chips fall where they may.
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Old Mon Dec 20, 2010, 10:40am
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Not worried about pretty. The coach has no one to blame but himself if this happens. Halftime is 10 minutes everywhere I've ever been. It's not that difficult to keep track of. Havng said that, I've never gone to or sent anyone to get a team and I've yet to ever to start the 2nd half with a T.
We just had the situation this past Saturday night. We got out to the floor at about the 2:30 mark (in Ohio -- Central Ohio, anyway -- it is customary for game management to get us at the 3:00 mark) of the halftime intermission. The home team was already on the floor, but no sign of the visitors. I just tracked down game management to get the visiting team.

They returned to floor -- on the sprint -- just as the second horn was sounding. Naturally, the home coach was requesting that the ball be put into play. We waited until the visiting team's bench personnel got off of the floor and we started the second half.

The game ended up being a two point game. I am really happy that we were able to wait the extra couple seconds (as the rules allow) for us to resume the second half. The rest of the game would have been a mess had we been forced to start the second half with a technical -- which we would have had to do had another 50 seconds or so gone by.....
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