Make room for me!
 

#1, lifting the shoulder has nothing to do with it. He can sit up if he chooses to.

#2, If he rolls over on his side, it's traveling. Nowhere did you read that I said it was traveling to lift a butt cheek. Please don't make things up. You lose cedibility, if you have any.

Let's examine the Case Play
 

I've never seen or heard of an interpretation anywhere that said it's LEGAL to roll side to side while you're holding the ball on either your back or stomach.

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball.

What can A1 not do?
He/she may not roll over.

What can A1 do?
If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up.

So the case play tells us that the ONLY thing A1 can do while holding the ball in this position is to sit up if he/she is on her back.

There's nothing that says A1 can roll over on his/her side if A1 is on his/her back or stomach.

Traveling.
Jurassic siding with NevadaRef. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/roflmao.gif

Well, tomorrow is the first Winter Solstice Full Moon Eclipse in at least 370 years (450 according to some sources.)

Will that be the 2nd one witnessed by MTD Sr?

Depends on which of those sources is correct.

1) Yup, I agree that the player can't roll over without traveling. I'm already on record as saying that.

2) There's nothing there either that says A1 can't roll onto their side. Rolling onto their side isn't rolling over imo. If you roll over from your back, you end up on your stomach. Conversely, if you roll over from your stomach, you end up on your back. You're adding something that is not definitively laid out in the case play.

Here endeth the lesson. :)

We disagree. And until the FED gives us a clarification, I guess we'll still be disagreeing.

And for the record, I agree with Nevada most of the time. :eek: I think he's a very knowledgable official. It's only when he gets carried away with some of his strict law'n'order stuff that I really have to disagree with him. Vehemently. But that's also only my opinion. Hell, fwiw Jeff Rutledge and I have been fighting over some things for 10 years now and if I'm lucky we'll spend another 10 years fighting over 'em, but I still very much agree with and respect the great majority of his answers. Don't tell him that though. Takes all the fun out of arguing. :D

4.44.5 SITUATION B:
What can A1 do without violating?

RULING:
A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out.
If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating.

Those are the FED's words, not mine. I don't know how it could be any clearer. Those are the only two things the case play says A1 can do.

Oh well...nothing to get bent out of shape over. Merry Christmas Woddy! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/santa.gif

It's takes a helluva lot more than that to get me bent out of shape, Tony. :D

Have a great Christmas! You gonna spatchcock your turkey?

Hey! That's illegal in most states!!:eek:

49 of them, in fact. New Jersey is the lone exception.

Oh yea...I forgot all about Hackensack. :p

If I lift my left shoulder and left butt cheek off the floor, I'm not lying flat on my back anymore, so that would be rolling onto my side, would it not?

The bolded part is your opinion of course.

I explained to someone else in my next post that I was being somewhat sarcastic, but the point still holds true. I'm not making things up. If you lay flat on your back and start to roll to your right by lifting your left shoulder and left butt cheek off the floor, you're going to be on your side rather quickly.

I don't need you to determine if I have credibility or not. There is no way to know by a message board if people are credible or not. I imagine there are some pretty subpar officials who post on here all the time who are held in high esteem, and some very good officials who hardly ever post on here.

Rules citation?

Hey, Martha Stewart does it all the time. And she never went to the Big House for that. Other things? Well, yeah....but it doesn't make her a bad person. And she did knit new handcuffs for all the screws while she was there.

It's the only way to go imo. I do it all the time. Out in public too- right on my bbq for anyone to see.

How to Spatchcock a Turkey - Martha Stewart Recipes

Cooking is my life!

Dan and I will always have Hackensack.....