Looking for Help with Some Basic Questions

[LearningREF]

Thanks for all your help!

It's interesting that generally a player always has to be behind a line for something to count and for there not to be a violation, except when inbounding the ball, a player is allowed to step on the boundary line without crossing it. I guess this is because the line is considered part of out of bounds.

I just ordered a rules book and cases book. Thanks for the tip.

I also have a question that can't be answered by a rules book. What do you do with a partner ref who clearly makes mistakes or bad calls? I'm sure I've been that ref as well as the partner of that ref. If, for example, he calls a ten-second backcourt violation because he thinks the period of time during the throw in counts, do you overrule him or let it go and bring it up during a break? Normally, I'd be in favor of huddling up to discuss it and persuade him to change his call, but sometimes because of game situations this seems really uncomfortable. Is it more important to stick by your partner or to get the call right, no matter what?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LearningREF

Thanks for all your help!

It's interesting that generally a player always has to be behind a line for something to count and for there not to be a violation, except when inbounding the ball, a player is allowed to step on the boundary line without crossing it. I guess this is because the line is considered part of out of bounds.

I just ordered a rules book and cases book. Thanks for the tip.

I also have a question that can't be answered by a rules book. What do you do with a partner ref who clearly makes mistakes or bad calls? I'm sure I've been that ref as well as the partner of that ref. If, for example, he calls a ten-second backcourt violation because he thinks the period of time during the throw in counts, do you overrule him or let it go and bring it up during a break? Normally, I'd be in favor of huddling up to discuss it and persuade him to change his call, but sometimes because of game situations this seems really uncomfortable. Is it more important to stick by your partner or to get the call right, no matter what?

Generally, you have to trust your partner. If my partner calls a 10 second violation, I won't have any clue whether he's even close to right. I'm not counting. I only consider offering information on glaring errors.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LearningREF

Thanks for all your help!

It's interesting that generally a player always has to be behind a line for something to count and for there not to be a violation, except when inbounding the ball, a player is allowed to step on the boundary line without crossing it. I guess this is because the line is considered part of out of bounds.

Actually, the line is where inbounds and OOB meet. So if the player steps on that line, it's a violation. The OOB boundary could be two inches wide or two feet wide.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Actually, the line is where inbounds and OOB meet. So if the player steps on that line, it's a violation. The OOB boundary could be two inches wide or two feet wide.

I think he's talking about a thrower OOB legally stepping on a boundary line. I think.... too many commas...

[LearningREF]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I think he's talking about a thrower OOB legally stepping on a boundary line. I think.... too many commas...

That is correct. I should have been clearer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LearningREF

That is correct. I should have been clearer.

The point is, though, the only part of that line that matters is the "inside" edge. The OOB line itself is the inside edge of whatever boundary line is painted. Some courts don't paint a line, they simply have contrasting colors for IB and OOB. I've seen courts that had a line that seemed like it was about 5 feet wide.

[LearningREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The point is, though, the only part of that line that matters is the "inside" edge. The OOB line itself is the inside edge of whatever boundary line is painted. Some courts don't paint a line, they simply have contrasting colors for IB and OOB. I've seen courts that had a line that seemed like it was about 5 feet wide.

Oh. Got ya. That makes sense, especially picturing courts without lines.