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[Upward ref]

had my first "t" last night. Girls JV , On a throw in H54 defending and steady screaming BALL BALL BALL and doing contortionist jumping jacks, which was unnerving enough for me and the thrower. H54 then reaches through with her hands.. Me : tweet, and warning to the scorer (pretty sure I reported it properly although my partner wasn't aware of this apparently) A few minutes later into the first period h54 defending again on a throw in for V15. I motion along the end line plane as a warning and hand the ball to the thrower . H54 screaming BALL BALL BALL again and she reaches through to swat at the ball and has both feet out of bounds also. Me : tweet, and report a T to the scorer. Head coach ( at the top of her lungs): "It's going to be a long night girls! Partner comes running over with a whats up ? look ,so I say she reached through after a warning already , thats a T right ? partner administers 2 shots with the lane cleared and a division line throw in. it was a long night for me with my other screw ups but no more reaching through !
The other memorable part was a 1 and 1 bonus free throw. I motion 1 and 1 ,say 1 and 1 , and bounce the ball to v10. she shoots and misses . everybody on both teams stands there looking around (including me ) until my partner whistles,comes running in (laughing ) yelling "red ball" and I hear him explaining they can go for the rebound etc. I'm standing there waiting for my fan hecklers to get started on me and wondering what I messed up this time. And why the ball to the free throwers team ?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

had my first "t" last night. Girls JV , On a throw in H54 defending and steady screaming BALL BALL BALL and doing contortionist jumping jacks, which was unnerving enough for me and the thrower. H54 then reaches through with her hands.. Me : tweet, and warning to the scorer (pretty sure I reported it properly although my partner wasn't aware of this apparently) A few minutes later into the first period h54 defending again on a throw in for V15. I motion along the end line plane as a warning and hand the ball to the thrower . H54 screaming BALL BALL BALL again and she reaches through to swat at the ball and has both feet out of bounds also. Me : tweet, and report a T to the scorer. Head coach ( at the top of her lungs): "It's going to be a long night girls! Partner comes running over with a whats up ? look ,so I say she reached through after a warning already , thats a T right ? partner administers 2 shots with the lane cleared and a division line throw in. it was a long night for me with my other screw ups but no more reaching through !
The other memorable part was a 1 and 1 bonus free throw. I motion 1 and 1 ,say 1 and 1 , and bounce the ball to v10. she shoots and misses . everybody on both teams stands there looking around (including me ) until my partner whistles,comes running in (laughing ) yelling "red ball" and I hear him explaining they can go for the rebound etc. I'm standing there waiting for my fan hecklers to get started on me and wondering what I messed up this time. And why the ball to the free throwers team ?

You say H54 reached through to swat the ball...I'm assuming she did not hit the ball. If she did, you'd have a player T to H54 (as well as a delay-of-game warning if one hadn't been issued earlier). If all she did was break the plane, then you handled the play correctly.

In the second situation, did your partner see you clearly say 1 and 1? If I saw this, I would not have come in with a whistle...a player is going to finally get what's going on and play will ensue. I've had this happen a few times and this always happens.

But since your partner did come in with a whistle. What was his reasoning for giving it to red? I'm assuming he used the AP and it was pointing to red.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You say H54 reached through to swat the ball...I'm assuming she did not hit the ball. If she did, you'd have a player T to H54 (as well as a delay-of-game warning if one hadn't been issued earlier). If all she did was break the plane, then you handled the play correctly.

In the second situation, did your partner see you clearly say 1 and 1? If I saw this, I would not have come in with a whistle...a player is going to finally get what's going on and play will ensue. I've had this happen a few times and this always happens.

But since your partner did come in with a whistle. What was his reasoning for giving it to red? I'm assuming he used the AP and it was pointing to red.

correct, no hit.
I'm sure my partner saw the signal. he gave all of them to me every time .
must have been the ap arrow . A great partner , he does varsity, and college and was VERY patient and helpful.

[SNIPERBBB]

Sounds like you could of had a second T after you reported the first.

Gotta love those 1-and-1's and both teams brain fart. Never seen anyone whistle this play dead before though. Its usually just a seemingly long wait while we wait for someone to come out of their coma.

[Back In The Saddle]

My guess is that your partner simply killed "the play" and awarded an AP throw-in to red (NFHS 4-36-2c)

I've never seen a play (or lack thereof) quite like that one. I'd be interested to know how others would handle it. Me? At first, I'd just stand there and see if anybody would catch on. If that got no response, I might say something like, "That ball is still live" or "It was a one and one". I think I would only whistle it dead as a last resort and not until beyond the point where anyone with half a clue would have to realize that something is up.

BTW, righteous T. Her out of control defense is her problem. However, if even your partner didn't realize you had a delay warning...you need to find a way to communicate it more clearly.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

My guess is that your partner simply killed "the play" and awarded an AP throw-in to red (NFHS 4-36-2c)

I've never seen a play (or lack thereof) quite like that one. I'd be interested to know how others would handle it. Me? At first, I'd just stand there and see if anybody would catch on. If that got no response, I might say something like, "That ball is still live" or "It was a one and one". I think I would only whistle it dead as a last resort and not until beyond the point where anyone with half a clue would have to realize that something is up..

I'd simply stand there...especially if I was lead cause it'd be my partner who'd have to have his hand raised up the entire time!

What usually happens is either one players realizes what's happening and scores an easy basket/gets an easy fastbreak, or a player will grab the ball and toss it to the lead. Move out of the way and whistle the out of bounds violation (I've actually had this happen before).

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

My guess is that your partner simply killed "the play" and awarded an AP throw-in to red (NFHS 4-36-2c)

I've never seen a play (or lack thereof) quite like that one. I'd be interested to know how others would handle it. Me? At first, I'd just stand there and see if anybody would catch on. If that got no response, I might say something like, "That ball is still live" or "It was a one and one". I think I would only whistle it dead as a last resort and not until beyond the point where anyone with half a clue would have to realize that something is up.

BTW, righteous T. Her out of control defense is her problem. However, if even your partner didn't realize you had a delay warning...you need to find a way to communicate it more clearly.

I just stood there thinking " I didn't mess up this one "

I'm trying my best, but my reporting and mechanics are still lousy and lack confidence.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I just stood there thinking " I didn't mess up this one "

Yep, you surely didn't mess that one up. You were a teenager once, so you know they can be looking right at you and appear to be acknowledging you, without ever hearing a word you're saying

I have a theory (based on personal experience being an ADD kid): kids that are only half listening, if they remember anything at all, will remember only the very last thing they hear. So, when I tell them how many shots I try to always end with the number. (e.g., "Two times, guys...Two!"). It's no miracle cure mechanic, but it has worked very well for me.

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I'm trying my best, but my reporting and mechanics are still lousy and lack confidence.

This is great news! Why? Because mechanics and presentation is one of the very few aspects of officiating that is entirely within your control. In just 10 minutes, starting right this second, you can do something that can make a significant, positive difference.

Reporting and signalling is all about muscle memory. Get in front of a mirror and practice, practice, practice. Every time you hit the men's room at work, call a foul on the guy in the mirror. Keep at it until you like what you see. Practice the whole sequence from whistle, prelim, movement to the table, stopping, reporting. (Yes, my men's room is 84 x 50) Then do it with your eyes closed, opening them at random times to ensure you look the way you should. We can't see ourselves on the court, we have to rely on feel. So learn what it feels like to do it right.

Also, get somebody to video one of your games. Watch the video and take notes. Anything that looks funny or weak, fix it.

Good luck!

[RobbyinTN]

I spent alot of time in front of the mirror practicing my mechanics and prior to each season I do ti all over again to refresh myself. My biggest porblem early on was that i though I had my arm raised up high only to see I was still not as high as it should be. Took me a while to get it down but now when the whistle blows, my arm goes up high. The other thing I had to work on was the bird dogging on fouls. What I mean is so that my pointer arm doesn't go out as soon as my other arm goes up. Now I blow the whistle, raise the arm, pause and then point, pause again and then show the push or hack or whatever the foul is. I have found this is cleaner and creates less confusion for my partner and the players/coach, etc

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

H54 then reaches through with her hands.. Me : tweet, and warning to the scorer (pretty sure I reported it properly although my partner wasn't aware of this apparently)

Don't forget, you have to report the delay of game warning to both the official scorer and the offending team's coach.

If you have a younger/inexperienced scorekeeper, take a second to walk him through it, "write D.O.G. warning at the bottom of that team's page."

Expect the occasional coach objection, especially if they're younger. ("It's only a middle school game.") The players won't learn if you don't enforce.

[Welpe]

I had a similar 1 and 1 situation happen during a JV boys game this year while I was administering the free throws. The first shot is no good but nobody reacts. A Team A player grabs the ball and throws it to me just as his coach starts screaming that it is a live ball. I stepped aside, let the ball go out and pointed the other way.

I clearly announced one and one, so I have no idea what was going on there. I even confirmed with my partner that I had announced it. Guess they weren't quite ready to play on a Saturday morning.

[Scuba_ref]

I have had about 15 instances the other way in about 30 games so far this year. We announce 1 and 1, shooter makes the first and everyone thinks we are done. Team that was on offense heads back on defense and the other team starts to take the ball out.

Boy they have short memories!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I had a similar 1 and 1 situation happen during a JV boys game this year while I was administering the free throws. The first shot is no good but nobody reacts. A Team A player grabs the ball and throws it to me just as his coach starts screaming that it is a live ball. I stepped aside, let the ball go out and pointed the other way.

I clearly announced one and one, so I have no idea what was going on there. I even confirmed with my partner that I had announced it. Guess they weren't quite ready to play on a Saturday morning.

Had something similar happen again last night during a girl's 8th grade game. We line up for 1 and 1 and I very clearly announce it as such. The first shot misses, is rebounded by an A team player who hands the ball to a B team player. B team player takes off the other direction and away we go.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Had something similar happen again last night during a girl's 8th grade game. We line up for 1 and 1 and I very clearly announce it as such. The first shot misses, is rebounded by an A team player who hands the ball to a B team player. B team player takes off the other direction and away we go.

I think the question everyone is asking here is, "Did B1 get credit for a steal."

[Welpe]

I forgot to check with the statistician.