Advice

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

I'm not real happy with my "smart mouth and shortness" with coaches this year. I've noticed since I decided at the start to quit taking so much s&*^ from them beginning this year - that my retorts probably don't help.

Examples from last night..

1. Called defense post foul - coach says she thinks we are calling too tight - is there no touch allowed - I respond that we are playing basketball - She then asks again - I retort same answer as above - she says "I should've known - I then say to her to be careful coach...

2. Opposite coach - still angry over a non call from my partner - wanted me to help him - I had nothing either... anyway front court ball goes oob on my sideline - he meets me where I call it out and folds arms stating loudly that now I'm willing to help him - I retort that it is my call my sideline and that he needs to not worry about our coverage areas...

3. Same coach as above - getting smoked - down by 20 or so with other teams 2nd string in and still pressing with about 1 minute to go - loudly calls a time out - stairs at me and points to the clock as I administer time out. I retort that it (the press) is not our problem...

Thoughts for an official looking to improve handling coaches who constantly chirp even when they don't have a clue

Note, these are my thoughts on how I would handle this:

#1. A coach isn't going to get an answer from me just because she's playing jeopardy.

#2. The way I read this, it's a T.

#3. I'm walking away from this one.

[Scuba_ref]

I heard this from a more experienced (than myself) official yesterday as we were driving to our assignment:

"Coach, if you are talking all the time then I never know when to listen to you" I liked that one for the coach that never shuts up.

Although usually I just respond in Japanese: Coach, watakushi wa anata no kutsu o hakudarou

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I heard this from a more experienced (than myself) official yesterday as we were driving to our assignment:

"Coach, if you are talking all the time then I never know when to listen to you" I liked that one for the coach that never shuts up.

Although usually I just respond in Japanese: Coach, watakushi wa anata no kutsu o hakudarou

Hey watch your language! Or else I may have to find the Hebrew and Arabic funtions on my keyboard!!!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Hey watch your language! Or else I may have to find the Hebrew and Arabic funtions on my keyboard!!!

...or at least find the "c" more consistently...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

...or at least find the "c" more consistently...

He must work 2-person. Finding the "C" is not something he normally has to do.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He must work 2-person. Finding the "C" is not something he normally has to do.

Actually I AM the "C"!! I pregame it that way!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Actually I AM the "C"!! I pregame it that way!

Opposite table, I'm sure.

[Refsmitty]

Probably should have Td Snaq

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Note, these are my thoughts on how I would handle this:

#1. A coach isn't going to get an answer from me just because she's playing jeopardy.

#2. The way I read this, it's a T.

#3. I'm walking away from this one.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Note, these are my thoughts on how I would handle this:

#1. A coach isn't going to get an answer from me just because she's playing jeopardy.

#2. The way I read this, it's a T.

#3. I'm walking away from this one.

Re #2: I actually educated a coach once who thought the ref that blows the whistle for OB isn't by sideline, but by which official was watching the paired matchup that caused the ball to go OB.

So, in the case of the ball up top, the T has the patchup. If B knocks the ball to L's sideline, we know that the L takes the call. He thought that because the T had the matchup, that the T takes the OB call.

His thinking caught me off-guard, and also reminded me that they don't know about our mechanics, etc. But his logic was sound/reasonable for someone who didn't pay attention much to mechanics.

If I can, I'll avoid a T if it's reasonable that the coach doesn't know our mechanics. Then, get the ball inbounds quickly...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Re #2: I actually educated a coach once who thought the ref that blows the whistle for OB isn't by sideline, but by which official was watching the paired matchup that caused the ball to go OB.

So, in the case of the ball up top, the T has the patchup. If B knocks the ball to L's sideline, we know that the L takes the call. He thought that because the T had the matchup, that the T takes the OB call.

His thinking caught me off-guard, and also reminded me that they don't know about our mechanics, etc. But his logic was sound/reasonable for someone who didn't pay attention much to mechanics.

If I can, I'll avoid a T if it's reasonable that the coach doesn't know our mechanics. Then, get the ball inbounds quickly...

In a normal circumstance, I would agree with this approach. Perhaps I was reading more into it, but he said the coach was still angry about the no-call; so I took the response as sarcastic and T-worthy.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If I can, I'll avoid a T if it's reasonable that the coach doesn't know our mechanics. Then, get the ball inbounds quickly...

While I get what you're saying...the coach's ignorance is his problem, not ours. If his behavior is out of line, ignorance notwithstanding, it needs to be addressed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

While I get what you're saying...the coach's ignorance is his problem, not ours. If his behavior is out of line, ignorance notwithstanding, it needs to be addressed.

Right, and I have no problem with a coach asking questions out of legitimate ignorance.

However, when his ignorance is combined with anger and sarcasm....
No.