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Oooo! I like that response. MTD, Sr.
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My first repsonse was semi-serious, but a TF is warrented in this case. The HC was not venting, he comments were a direct attack on your officiating and he WAS out of the coaching box and OUT on the plahing court when he made his remarks.
The key in this situation is that the HC was out of the coaching box and on the playing court making derogatory comments about your officiating. MTD, Sr.
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Mark, what you said is exactly what our assignor and the state have been telling us. By rule, I should have whacked the coach. The reason I posted this: Every year there is discussion with newer officials about what we take and what we administer a technical for. By rule, I should have T'ed this coach. On top of that, one of my pet peeves is coaches blaming me for someone getting hurt. I really feel that coach was insinuating that I was not calling a tight game, doing a good job, etc. and honestly it pissed me off. Still, I passed and we got the game going. The point I guess to newer officials is there are some things coaches will say that you won't like but that aren't really unsportsmanlike. If she would have said "If she get's hurt it's all YOUR fault". T time. Even w/o changing the words to make it personal if she would have been screaming it, T time. No one could hear her but me and I knew what she was saying but she didn't make it personal, I just took it that way. Game on let's play.
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On the subject of whacking a coach, what would you say and/or do if a varsity coach took the opportunity to say, "You could at least act like you're trying.", followed a few minutes later by saying "You are taking this game over, and you now what, your two partners agree with me. They said the same thing."
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If they want to complain about a call, fine. They get some leeway. If they want to get personal, they don't. JMO. |
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Mine too.
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By the book, the coach deserves a T but I would probably give him a warning first. I don't like to give Ts on something like this unless I have already given a coach a verbal warning prior to it and he continues.
OTOH, if he is on my case all game long (more than moderate whining), I will whack him for a comment like that since he is out of the box - more for being out of the box than the comments. Robby |
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And no coach is going to be on my case all game long.
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And I agree, no coach is going to be on my case all game long either. I will let him/her say a few things but once it becomes their normal routine I will whack them early on. (Although I will usually give a warning first) Robby |
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whack. whack. |
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The second comment (if he's dumb enough to continue after the seatbelt from the first serving of tea) would get him a trip out of the gym. |
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The thing I have to watch is getting too demonstrative when I issue a T. If a Coach has really pissed me off...I'll give a verbal "BOOM" right along with the quick T signal. Was doing a playoff game a few years ago...the Coach from the far away school did not really know me...when I whacked him, he told one of my partners that he didn't mind the technical foul...but, he resented the "BOOM" that came with it.
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In the OP, I wouldn't whack a coach for this (assuming nothing untoward has occurred during the game). But I would address it. I wouldn't address the coach's issue until he has addressed mine...which is getting back in his box.
In the second scenario, either of those comments would elicit a T from me for the illegal use of a personal pronoun. If both of them came my way, both would elicit a T. If he's trying to work each of us, or trying to play my partners and I off of each other, we'll talk and one of my partners will likely give him the second one (assuming he's dumb enough to keep on trying). But if I am the lucky lone object of his desire, I'll handle them both.
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