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26 Year Gap Tue Nov 30, 2010 07:45am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 703876)
Since I have multiple personalities, I work both games at the same time.

So THAT'S how Diebler does it!

BillyMac Tue Nov 30, 2010 07:48am

Workng Up The Ladder ...
 
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Originally Posted by Richmond (Post 703899)
They'd tell you that as a varsity official, you weren't allowed to work anything but varsity games and then they'd hand you a schedule with only 1-2 dates per week.

True. On our local board, sometimes it's better to be a top rated "split" official, working both varsity and subvarsity, games, than it is being a low rated "full" varsity official. Often the split official gets a much busier schedule, although with fewer varsity assignments.

26 Year Gap Tue Nov 30, 2010 07:50am

I have had one postponement due to weather in FL. In VT, we would get the assignment if we didn't already have a game that night. But, just as often, we would get another game because someone else was double booked. Often Saturday was a makeup day, and in February, it was not uncommon to have a guy work an afternoon game and an evening game due to unavailability of officials.

We will work a couple games a day sometimes in FL. Usually for tournaments. And they are always 3 crew games. When we do DHs, it is usually JVB/VB with 3 on the second game. And on girls' DHs, we often have just 2 on the varsity game.

ref2coach Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:30am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 703902)
We believe that it's important to put an official with "fresh legs" in a varsity game whenever possible.

I find this reasoning laughable. When I wear a pedometer working as a member of a 3 person crew, I have never had a game that has reached 8/10s of a mile. Any referee who is not "fresh" after a single 3 p.c. game needs to put in some time getting into better physical condition. :rolleyes:

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 703878)
I feel sorry for those where your bad/evil personality is officiating LMAO

That would be every game.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 30, 2010 01:28pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703899)
"Frowned upon"? See, that's what I don't get. If officials are independent contractors, how can they be restricted from working more than one game?

There is no reason each individual game contract couldn't include restrictions on certain activities for a certain number of hours before the actual game. As it is, they probably include arrival times that are well before the actual game time.
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703899)
It's what I never understood about systems where there's only one assignor (who's blessed by the state) and it's "his way or the highway" -- isn't that restricting the trade of an independent contractor?

I'd bet that it is rarely the case that their is only one assignor for EVERYTHING in one area. There may be one for HS ball as it is here, but if someone doesn't like it, they can work non-HS ball (there are plenty of different assignors for that) or, for HS ball, can drive to the next town...a few people do that.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 30, 2010 01:32pm

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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 703920)
I find this reasoning laughable. When I wear a pedometer working as a member of a 3 person crew, I have never had a game that has reached 8/10s of a mile. Any referee who is not "fresh" after a single 3 p.c. game needs to put in some time getting into better physical condition. :rolleyes:

You need a new pedometer or you need to work a game with a team that is running an offense more than the 4-corners.

Plus, pedometers are horrible for measuring referee distances. The stride length is so irregular, it can't be accurate. Pedometers are far better for runners/walkers where the stride length is generally consistent.

ref2coach Tue Nov 30, 2010 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 703978)
You need a new pedometer or you need to work a game with a team that is running an offense more than the 4-corners.

Plus, pedometers are horrible for measuring referee distances. The stride length is so irregular, it can't be accurate. Pedometers are far better for runners/walkers where the stride length is generally consistent.

OK, assume my pedometer is off. What distance do you stipulate is the average when working 3 p.c.? Is your given average distance an amount of physical work that would leave any "reasonably" fit referee unable to work a second game?

JRutledge Tue Nov 30, 2010 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 703877)
I can only speak for my area, but we don't necessarily "own" our games. If the game is rescheduled, the assignor may check and see if we're free. It might be the case that when the game is rescheduled, we're already working that night and can't take it.

That has been the standard, even if the game is not from an "assignor" in this state.

Peace

Rich Tue Nov 30, 2010 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 703973)
There is no reason each individual game contract couldn't include restrictions on certain activities for a certain number of hours before the actual game. As it is, they probably include arrival times that are well before the actual game time.

Contracts here specify start times. It's practice to show up an hour early, but nothing in writing to force that to happen. That said, I'm usually at least 75 minutes early.

And in my second game, I actually was loose having just worked another game. My old (cough, cough) legs take a little breaking in. :D

BillyMac Tue Nov 30, 2010 06:00pm

20th Century Mechanics ...
 
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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 703920)
I find this reasoning laughable. When I wear a pedometer working as a member of a 3 person crew, I have never had a game that has reached 8/10s of a mile. Any referee who is not "fresh" after a single 3 p.c. game needs to put in some time getting into better physical condition.

This is Connecticut, the "Land of Steady Habits", and the "Land of the Two Person Game". Almost all of our assignments are two person. Some exceptions are some charity holiday tournament games, a few games involving some big city rivalries, and some state tournament games, from the quarterfinals up.

BillyMac Tue Nov 30, 2010 06:04pm

Three Miles Per Game (Mileage May Vary) ...
 
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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 703920)
I find this reasoning laughable. When I wear a pedometer working as a member of a 3 person crew, I have never had a game that has reached 8/10s of a mile.

I did the pedometer thing a few times last year. Two person games. Boys varsity games. Averaged about three miles per game.

chseagle Wed Dec 01, 2010 08:19am

Just found out that the Jamboree where I was working crowd control is now cancelled due to our crazy winter weather up here.

The first actual game for both the boys & girls (December 4th) got rescheduled due to the football team playing in the 1A WIAA/Dairy Farmers of Washington Gridiron Classic championship game. So the 1st game for all squads is going to be on December 7tth.

Thankfully looking at how the rescheduling was done, there's a possibility that the officials assigned to the game will still get a chance to work.

justacoach Wed Dec 01, 2010 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704178)
Just found out that the Jamboree where I was working crowd control is now cancelled due to our crazy winter weather up here.

You can get an alternate workout by going to the mall and performing crowd control on the obstreperous kiddies waiting in line for Santa pictures. Probably pays better as well.
Don't forget your taser!!!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 01, 2010 05:28pm

Padgett, a request for you.
 
Mark:

Billy Mac talked about having fresh legs for a varsity game.

Please show the Forum the special sock and shoes that you wear to keep your legs fresh, nudge, nudge, ;), ;).

MTD, Sr.


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