Out of Bounds

[surehands]

A1 is holding the ball and touches the ref who is out of bounds. A1 is holding the ball and touches B5 who is out of bounds. When did A1 make the ball go out of bounds ?

[Scrapper1]

If A1 touches the player or the ref, then the ball is not out of bounds. If A1 touches the BALL to a player or the ref, then that is when the ball is out of bounds.

[surehands]

I was thinking that the official is part of where he stands and A would cause the ball to go out of bounds, but the B player when touched with the ball would have caused the ball to go out of bounds. These both happen when A is holding the ball and touching them?

[Scrapper1]

I already gave you the answer. A player who touches a person out of bounds does not make you out of bounds. The ball touching anything out of bounds does make it out of bounds.

[surehands]

So if A1 deflects a pass from B2 and touches B5 who is out of bounds, the ball will be given to Team B?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by surehands

So if A1 deflects a pass from B2 and touches B5 who is out of bounds, the ball will be given to Team B?

The important question here is what/who did the ball touch, and where was that person standing.

This prevents, for example, a sub sitting at the table from being able to reach and touch an opponent with the ball and causing that opponent to commit an OOB violation.

[Adam]

Rule 7-1 is your reference here:

a player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on our outside the boundary.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by surehands

A1 is holding the ball and touches the ref who is out of bounds. A1 is holding the ball and touches B5 who is out of bounds. When did A1 make the ball go out of bounds ?

Read case book play 7.1.1SitA.

Most questions can be answered with a quick look at either the rule book or case book.

[BillyMac]

A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on our outside the boundary.

I believe that the "other than a player/person" exception was added recently, and by recently I mean within the last twenty years, or so. When I first started thirty years ago, I believe that it was an out of bounds violation for a player inbounds to touch an official, or coach, or fan, who was standing out of bounds. But that was a long time ago and I wouldn't bet my house on it. Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be along shortly to confirm, or deny, this.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on our outside the boundary.

I believe that the "other than a player/person" exception was added recently, and by recently I mean within the last twenty years, or so. When I first started thirty years ago, I believe that it was an out of bounds violation for a player inbounds to touch an official, or coach, or fan, who was standing out of bounds. But that was a long time ago and I wouldn't bet my house on it. Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be along shortly to confirm, or deny, this.

That depends on how much time he needs to spend in his attic.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

That depends on how much time he needs to spend in his attic.

Not long. It was an un-announced rule change in the 2007-08 rulebook and we discussed it here at that time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not long. It was an un-announced rule change in the 2007-08 rulebook and we discussed it here at that time.

Yep, my understanding is it was intended to bring the wording more in line with the intent.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on our outside the boundary.

I believe that the "other than a player/person" exception was added recently, and by recently I mean within the last twenty years, or so. When I first started thirty years ago, I believe that it was an out of bounds violation for a player inbounds to touch an official, or coach, or fan, who was standing out of bounds. But that was a long time ago and I wouldn't bet my house on it. Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be along shortly to confirm, or deny, this.

This might refresh your memory.


Plyer Out-Of-Bounds

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

This might refresh your memory.Plyer Out-Of-Bounds

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

An un-freaking-announced change! No notice-no reference posted anywhere that I know of. Just throw it in the case book and see if anybody might happen to notice it. Lah me.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What I don't like is that the NFHS put in a new, fairly major interpretation, and then didn't bother to point it out to us. It's not listed in the front of the book(s) or on their site anywhere either, as far as I know. If I hadn't have noticed it surfing the case book, I would have answered it the same as you did. Not the first time that the FED has done this either.

Agree. I hate it when they do that. When the NFHS makes a new rule, or a rule change, or a new interpretation, then they should list it in their April press release, and in the NFHS rulebook, as a rule change or as an editorial change, with all the other rule changes or editorial changes.