Yup, I think that you should treat that one the same as a fumble as per case play 9.2.1SitB(a). We're arguing the alternative. Deliberate kick by the thrower.

Now were are off topic for sure.

Religious medals are legal if taped and covered by the uniform. Right? What's the difference?

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1. Sure, that's all he has to do; but you and I both know they don't always take the easiest route. The question is, is it a violation?

2) The exception in 6-1 (thanks scrappy) doesn't specify that the thrower is the only one exempt. It says "during these situations."

The question is, do other violations apply during a throwin?

It's sounds like a job for the good ol' 2-3 fallback.

I'm with scrappy, there's no need for 2-3 here; it's covered by the rules. In the absence of a rule telling me kicked-ball rules don't apply to the thrower on a throwin, it's a violation.

The rule doesn't say the thrower is exempt from all violations not noted in 9-2, it states two specific violations that don't apply "during throwins."

JR's making the same argument some of us made a few years ago with regard to the backcourt violation exceptions; before the NFHS shot us down by telling us that the exceptions noted were all inclusive.

Is that the right cite? I can't seem to find it in my 2010-2011 case book.

There is 9.2.1B (a), but here, it's not a fumble, it's a muff. And, that's completely different.

9.2.1B (b) is a fumble -- and a violation, but not really relevant to the play.

A fumble is accidental, and it makes sense to reset, per the rule.

A kick is an intentional act, and is a violation when the ball is live. I'm with Scrapper here.

Why would the rules permit a player to kick the ball during a THROW-in? :rolleyes:

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