Delay of Game Situation

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did you mean "accidental?"

I think he means incidental. The player purposely contacted the ball, but his (judged) intent was to protect himself. So...not accidental, but incidental.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I think he means incidental. The player purposely contacted the ball, but his (judged) intent was to protect himself. So...not accidental, but incidental.

However, accidental or incidental, if it causes a delay it needs to be addressed. That may be a delay warning, or just a stern word.

I do not agree.

Delay of game infractions are not meant to be applied to cases where the ball drops thorugh the net and ricochets off a player who had no intent to deflect it away from being ready to play. If a ball comes through an bounces off of a player who either didn't see it coming or was only protecting it from hitting them in the face (or similar), it should not be a violation.

[Back In The Saddle]

You are right.

I figure I'm allowed one dumb post per day. And this one would be it for today.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I think he means incidental. The player purposely contacted the ball, but his (judged) intent was to protect himself. So...not accidental, but incidental.

Just to add to what Camron wrote, I consider "reflexive" to be, for purposes of this rule, to be accidental.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Just to add to what Camron wrote, I consider "reflexive" to be, for purposes of this rule, to be accidental.

And do you consider "incidental" and "accidental" touching of the ball to have different implications as regards the delay rule?

[Jurassic Referee]

It's a straight judgment call, Welpe, as to whether the shooter interfered with the ball to gain an advantage. Don't second-guess your judgment on the play. And the coach does deserve an explanation. What he doesn't deserve though is an explanation that he has to like or agree with.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

And do you consider "incidental" and "accidental" touching of the ball to have different implications as regards the delay rule?

To me: incidental = no advantage

So while the implications are very close, they aren't identical. If there are repeated accidental hits that have an effect, I'll have a word with the offender about avoiding the ball.

[Welpe]

Thanks everyone. Wish I had someone to see it so they could tell me if my judgment was correct but I think it was...of course.

[doubleringer]

No delay, but you have to like a coach that is going to complain to you about that delay in a 3 hour scrimmage that you're working 2 man. Might be a good time to practice resumption of play procedures after a T?

[bainsey]

How much would you say that intent comes into play for each of the four D.O.G. warnings?