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Adam Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 701227)
How much would you say that intent comes into play for each of the four D.O.G. warnings?

Good question.
1. Players don't huddle accidentally.
2. Water doesn't get spilled deliberately.
3. Defenders rarely cross the plane deliberately.
4. Hitting the ball may be the only one where it matters.

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2010 02:34pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 701227)
How much would you say that intent comes into play for each of the four D.O.G. warnings?

Intent doesn't come into play in any way for any of the DOG warnings. You penalize the act when it occurs and you recognize it.

Adam Tue Nov 16, 2010 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701278)
Intent doesn't come into play in any way for any of the DOG warnings. You penalize the act when it occurs and you recognize it.

So the ball comes out of the net and hits an unsuspecting player from the scoring team in the leg, you're going to issue a DOG?

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2010 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 701231)
4. Hitting the ball may be the only one where it matters.

Why?:confused:

Don't we still have to call it even if we didn't think the defender meant it?

Adam Tue Nov 16, 2010 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701281)
Why?:confused:

Don't we still have to call it even if we didn't think the defender meant it?

I've just never seen it called when contact was inadvertent. Not that it happens that way often; it's hard to not see it coming.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 16, 2010 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701281)
Why?:confused:

Don't we still have to call it even if we didn't think the defender meant it?

I'm not.

The word interfere implies (to me, in this instance) some intentional act (including potentially some willful inaction).

Jurassic Referee Tue Nov 16, 2010 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 701284)
I'm not.

The word interfere implies (to me, in this instance) some intentional act (including potentially some willful inaction).

Good point by both you and Snaqs. I spoke too hastily. If the ball gets kicked away...... under a bleacher, whatever....you blow the whistle to stop the clock. But if you also feel the kick was intentional to delay the throw-in and gain an advantage, you should issue the DOG warning at the same time. Intent does play a part in that situation.

I stand rightfully corrected.

mbyron Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:51am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701295)
If the ball gets kicked away...... under a bleacher, whatever....you blow the whistle to stop the clock. But if you also feel the kick was intentional to delay the throw-in and gain an advantage, you should issue the DOG warning at the same time.

I was going to post exactly this advice, but I couldn't find anything in the book that permits stopping the clock to retrieve a ball that gets away.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:44am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 701475)
i was going to post exactly this advice, but i couldn't find anything in the book that permits stopping the clock to retrieve a ball that gets away.

5-8-2c

mbyron Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:00am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 701489)
5-8-2c

Gracias.

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:02am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 701475)
I was going to post exactly this advice, but I couldn't find anything in the book that permits stopping the clock to retrieve a ball that gets away.

Case book play 4.42.3(a) along with the rule that Bob cited.

mbyron Wed Nov 17, 2010 09:06am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701505)
Case book play 4.42.3(a) along with the rule that Bob cited.

Merci.

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:49am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 701507)
Merci.

Shut up.

mbyron Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 701551)
Shut up.

Well, somebody got out of bed on the wrong side, I see.

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:54am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 701553)
Well, somebody got out of bed on the wrong side, I see.

That implies there's a correct side, one which is easier and leads to a better day-long mood. Hmmm.


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