First scrimmage of the season

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

... a 3-second violation, ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That gets called in a college game?

It was on the preseason video. Several examples were shown.

[Robert E. Harrison]

When a player jumps upon another player on the floor. Do we call a foul or determine if he/she is going for the ball and consider it incidental contact? I know when two players have similar advantageous positions going for the ball the contact can be violent and not a foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

When a player jumps upon another player on the floor. Do we call a foul or determine if he/she is going for the ball and consider it incidental contact? I know when two players have similar advantageous positions going for the ball the contact can be violent and not a foul.

Jumping ON another player? That can't be incidental: you can't go through another player to get to the ball.

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Jumping ON another player? That can't be incidental: you can't go through another player to get to the ball.

Wasnt that a POE in HS last year?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

Wasnt that a POE in HS last year?

It's been a POE and a case play over the years. The directive has always been to call a foul if a player jumps on top of an opposing player on the floor in an attempt to tie up the ball.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

When a player jumps upon another player on the floor. Do we call a foul or determine if he/she is going for the ball and consider it incidental contact? I know when two players have similar advantageous positions going for the ball the contact can be violent and not a foul.

Robert, you are correct that if the players are in equally advantageous positions then contact while attempting to gain control of the ball is normally considered incidental. (Unless, obviously, one of them extends an arm or leg to push, hold, etc.)

But if one guy is jumping ON another player, you have to ask yourself whether they really did have equally advantageous positions. To jump onto another player, you'd have to start out behind that player, wouldn't you? You'd have to start farther away from the ball than the other player. That means that they are NOT in equally advantageous positions before the contact; and that means that the contact cannot be considered incidental.

And, as others have pointed out, there have been POEs and case plays to address this situation as well.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was on the preseason video. Several examples were shown.

And we've had one in each of my college scrimmages so far.