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just another ref Thu Oct 28, 2010 09:26pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 698685)
I disagree. To state that event A to occurs before event B implies that event B does occur. The statement establishes an order of events, not a hypothetical order of possible events.
I tend to agree, since the horn is mentioned.

I would still prefer that it had said:

A1 is fouled in the act of shooting, immediately after which the horn sounds, signaling the end of the period.

just another ref Thu Oct 28, 2010 09:30pm
I actually was in on a similar situation regarding end of the game or not.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/31372-horn.html

chseagle Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 698673)
Weird...is this only in situations where the officials don't have definite knowledge of what to put back on the clock? What if an official sees 1.0 when he whistles a foul and for some reason, the timer doesn't stop the clock in time (wouldn't happen with our resident expert timekeeper ;))?
I've been able to stop the clock before with .1 seconds left on the clock for a foul, of course everyone in the stands was belly aching about it. Generally one of my hands is always on the switch in case a whistle happens.

I've been able to stop the clock at least once on each tenth of a second during the last second of a period.

just another ref Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:07am
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 698711)
I've been able to stop the clock before with .1 seconds left on the clock for a foul......

I've been able to stop the clock at least once on each tenth of a second during the last second of a period.
You should be automatically certified based on these accomplishments alone.

justacoach Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:13am
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 698711)
I've been able to stop the clock before with .1 seconds left on the clock for a foul, of course everyone in the stands was belly aching about it. Generally one of my hands is always on the switch in case a whistle happens.

I've been able to stop the clock at least once on each tenth of a second during the last second of a period.
Eagleboy, we always knew you were quick on the trigger...
Please accept my caution that such self-congratulatory gyrations as patting yourself on the back so vigorously may result in physical impairment much more severe than straining ones knee ligaments.

Kelvin green Sat Oct 30, 2010 01:03am
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 698605)
BillyMac would have done this eventually....

5.6 SITUATION: A1 is fouled in the act of shooting by B1. A1's try or tap is successful to make the score with team A leading 62-58. When the foul occurs, the clock is stopped with 0:00 showing, but no end-of-period signal (horn or light) has indicated.
RULING: A1 will attempt the free throw with the lane spaces occupied as required. The fourth period time has not expired until the period-ending signal.

As I said, that test question evolved from this case play and has been used several times already iirc.
I will need to point this out.

The reason in this play (5.6) that the players line up is there is still time on the clock as the horn nor light have gone off.

If the horn has gone off and no definite time we would not line up players on the line...

BillyMac Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:35am
0:00 ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 698634)
The case play refers to the clock reading 0 minutes and 00 seconds, which does not take tenths into account. The clock could have been stopped with time remaining, which would explain why the horn hadn't sounded.
Make sure that the clock operator has the automatic horn on. If the automatic horn is off, then the buzzer won't sound. In thirty years I've had the 0:00 situation with no horn several times. I always ask the clock operator, "Is the automatic horn on?" If he replies, "No", I ask him to turn it on. In many, but not all cases, the horn sounds, so we don't line up rebounders for the free throw. In a couple of cases the horn didn't sound when the automatic horn was turned on, so we had the rebounders line up during the free throws.

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 01, 2010 02:57pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 698940)
Make sure that the clock operator has the automatic horn on. If the automatic horn is off, then the buzzer won't sound. In thirty years I've had the 0:00 situation with no horn several times. I always ask the clock operator, "Is the automatic horn on?" If he replies, "No", I ask him to turn it on. In many, but not all cases, the horn sounds, so we don't line up rebounders for the free throw. In a couple of cases the horn didn't sound when the automatic horn was turned on, so we had the rebounders line up during the free throws.
Why would you ever want to turn this off?

bob jenkins Mon Nov 01, 2010 03:04pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 699155)
Why would you ever want to turn this off?
Maybe it was off for some other sport.

Maybe it was turned off as the time was running down while the National Anthem was being played.

Maybe the console was programmed "wrong" when the new sport / game was started.

Maybe it was turned off by accident.

BillyMac Mon Nov 01, 2010 08:06pm
It's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 699157)
Maybe it was off for some other sport. Maybe it was turned off as the time was running down while the National Anthem was being played. Maybe the console was programmed "wrong" when the new sport / game was started. Maybe it was turned off by accident.
There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. It wasn't my fault, I swear to God.


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