Five second responsibility

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I do believe this is the first time I've ever heard the notion of being straight-lined brought up in a discussion about five seconds/closely guarded.

Agreed, although if you were straight-lined, you might not know whether the defender was within 6 feet. I don't know that it's any more likely for lead to have this problem than C or T, or that it's more difficult to fix.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed, although if you were straight-lined, you might not know whether the defender was within 6 feet. I don't know that it's any more likely for lead to have this problem than C or T, or that it's more difficult to fix.

Yep. As far as I can tell, the argument for the L not having a 5 second count consists mostly of ... "nobody does it". I can see that a 5 second call on a post up on the block would be quite unexpected, and that would get you some grief. I can see that it would be difficult to maintain both a 3 second and a 5 second count on the same player. But nobody seems to be making those arguments (well, I guess "unexpected" is related to "nobody does that").

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Yep. As far as I can tell, the argument for the L not having a 5 second count consists mostly of ... "nobody does it". I can see that a 5 second call on a post up on the block would be quite unexpected, and that would get you some grief. I can see that it would be difficult to maintain both a 3 second and a 5 second count on the same player. But nobody seems to be making those arguments (well, I guess "unexpected" is related to "nobody does that").

I was told this a long time ago why the Lead should not have a closely guarded count at least in the mechanics systems I work. That being said the primary reason you have another official on the floor is to help the lead cover the post and not focus on all other things away from the basket and away from looking at bodies near the basket. I just think it would be counterproductive with the current coverage areas.

Peace

[Back In The Saddle]

So in your mechanics system, does the T ever start a 5 count on a post play in front of the L?

[Kelvin green]

Ray

I am with you...

It makes no sense to have trail who is 30 feet away calling 5 seconds if the play is right in front of lead.

If lead is on ball and officiating on ball who better to call it than the guy watiching the ball and the defender.

Lead just isnt watching the post players all the time...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So in your mechanics system, does the T ever start a 5 count on a post play in front of the L?

Of course.

Peace

[nine01c]

The lead official is not responsible for 5-second closely guarded counts in his/her primary coverage area?

The original question does not ask about a play going from one PCA to the Lead's PCA. There are no "what ifs." Simply states as is, the answer is False.

NFHS manual says that the official that has primary coverage is responsible for the five second count. 3.3.2 B.

What are the alternatives? The Lead will not call closely guarded infraction in his PCA (ignore and benefit the offense), or Center (or Trail) will have his eyes in the Lead's PCA to make the call (ball watching).