Legally Equipped? Why Do We Ask?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

Yes. It's not in your area of responsibility. Timers keep time, scorers keep score and shot clock runs the shot clock.

So what would happen if a parent or other spectator mentions to you about a player being in the game with an illegal item? Are you going to tell them the same thing? "It's none of your concern, just watch the game"

Being my background in security/crowd control, I care about the safety of those on the court (players & floor officials). Technically, (as I've said what seems like a million times) the table crew is supposed to be concerned about the safety of those on the court as they are part of the officiating crew.

Show me documentation otherwise that says that the table crew are not part of the officiating crew then your argument MIGHT stand a chance.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So what would happen if a parent or other spectator mentions to you about a player being in the game with an illegal item? Are you going to tell them the same thing? "It's none of your concern, just watch the game"

First of all I would not be having a conversation with a parent during a game that would extend to that kind of issue. If you were an actual official you would know that is a no-no.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Being my background in security/crowd control, I care about the safety of those on the court (players & floor officials). Technically, (as I've said what seems like a million times) the table crew is supposed to be concerned about the safety of those on the court as they are part of the officiating crew.

Technically no they are not. Not as a table person because there is nothing in the rules that gives you that authority. You are considered an official but your duties are well defined. You do not deal with those issues despite what you think those duties are.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Show me documentation otherwise that says that the table crew are not part of the officiating crew then your argument MIGHT stand a chance.

Better question is read the rules on the duties of the scorer and timer. Then tell us where it says you have the ability to prevent someone from playing in the game because you think there is a safety issue?

Peace

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So what would happen if a parent or other spectator mentions to you about a player being in the game with an illegal item? Are you going to tell them the same thing? "It's none of your concern, just watch the game".

Show me documentation otherwise that says that the table crew are not part of the officiating crew then your argument MIGHT stand a chance.

1) I wouldn't even say that to them. I pay no attention to what comes from the stands.

2) Have you ever read 2-11 or 2-12? Show me where it gives you all these powers you seem to think it gives you.

[grunewar]

I purposely avoided "the Eagle" confrontation, but knew others would pick up the chase......

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I purposely avoided "the Eagle" confrontation, but knew others would pick up the chase......

Never actually took part in one so I decided to give it a shot today

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I purposely avoided "the Eagle" confrontation, but knew others would pick up the chase......

Feel free to join in, the more the merrier LMAO

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

1) I wouldn't even say that to them. I pay no attention to what comes from the stands.

2) Have you ever read 2-11 or 2-12? Show me where it gives you all these powers you seem to think it gives you.

So what if that parent gets overly irate at you for not allowing their child to play? (comes out of the stands & gets in face or raises such a ruckus play has to be suspended)

No where am I saying "All powerful", everything I have done is as an assistance to the floor officials, not a hinderance. I always review things in my mind before doing them. I know how not to overstep the boundaries.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So what if that parent gets overly irate at you for not allowing their child to play? (comes out of the stands & gets in face or raises such a ruckus play has to be suspended).

So officials are now supposed to answer questions/comments/concerns from the stands on why little Johnny/Sally didn't get to play? That's the coaches job, not ours. Or did I miss that POE this year? If they do decide to do something that dumb, it's bye-bye for them.

While you may think you're being helpful, IMO you're being an annoyance by overstepping your duties. Let us do our job, and you do yours. If you're so concerned with everything else, step out on the floor and put on the stripes and a whistle. I would be more than happy to work a game with you.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

So officials are now supposed to answer questions/comments/concerns from the stands on why little Johnny/Sally didn't get to play? That's the coaches job, not ours. Or did I miss that POE this year? If they do decide to do something that dumb, it's bye-bye for them.

While you may think you're being helpful, IMO you're being an annoyance by overstepping your duties. Let us do our job, and you do yours. If you're so concerned with everything else, step out on the floor and put on the stripes and a whistle. I would be more than happy to work a game with you.

I would love to be a floor official, however thanks to an incident last January I am unable to physically do the duties required.

The times I have assisted on situations like with the bobbie pins I have been thanked by the floor officials. These happenings are few & far between, on average maybe only once a season. Majority of the time for me, it's telling the scorer & visiting book that they need to be impartial or that they need to pay more attention to the game than talking to their friends.

[ref2coach]

Personally I would appreciate the help. In my other primary sport we often ask the people at the "table" to look for illegal equipment and jersey tuck when the player approaches and tells them the number of the player they are replacing. For me it prevents delay, I always check the incoming player, should they be illegally or improperly equipped, I have to take the time to disallow the substitution. When I delegate to the table to "pre-screen" the players I have fewer delays and less "perturbed" players and coaches from disallowing the sub.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So what if that parent gets overly irate at you for not allowing their child to play? (comes out of the stands & gets in face or raises such a ruckus play has to be suspended)

Now that's when I expect security/crowd control to step in and wrestle this offender to the ground. At this point an inspection for illegal hair pins can also be performed on this person, just in case.

[rsox34]

...You are a Table Official. Numerous posters on this board have told you you are not a game official (referee/umpire) who wears a striped shirt, whistle, and lanyard. You are a table official (scorer or timer.) Kingsman1288strongly suggested that you read/study/adhere to rule 2-11 and 2-12. Those rules detail your duties and responsibilities. You are not a game official until you are able to take a rules test, pass a floor test, and start running up and down a gym floor. Let the people who have studied the rules, passed the tests, and know how to apply the rules by reffing many games do the officiating. The guys in the stripes with the whistles have their jobs to do and you have your jobs to do as the scorer, timer, crowd control person, etc. Concentrate on you jobs.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Now that's when I expect security/crowd control to step in and wrestle this offender to the ground. At this point an inspection for illegal hair pins can also be performed on this person, just in case.

Personally I think that the dedicated table officials like chseagles should be issued tasers. It can be used at his own discretion on players with illegal equipment, officials who won't follow his direction, etc.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Personally I think that the dedicated table officials like chseagles should be issued tasers. It can be used at his own discretion on players with illegal equipment, officials who won't follow his direction, etc.

His discretion? I'm staying on the east coast!

As for "the Eagle" for me, the ROCK said it best......"Know your role, and shut your mouth!"

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

His discretion? I'm staying on the east coast!

As for "the Eagle" for me, the ROCK said it best......"Know your role, and shut your mouth!"

I'd only use the taser against unruly hot mommas. I wouldn't be mean enough to use it against floor officials, maybe just against coaches trying to tell me how to run things when they have their own team to run.