Blarge administration

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think that is a dumb mechanic and I seriously doubt that the Men's side is going to change that. It is easy to avoid if you do the right things. But to have both officials call something and only pick one in that case is just silly. I would never advocate that mechanic. And if officials would just raise their hand we would not have to worry about this.

Peace

JRut,

If this was a perfect world that would work but there were a lot of blarges at the D1 men's level last season. It can't be a block and a charge...it has to be one or the other. We would love for officials to be more patient and work in their primary but blarges are going to happen and IMO getting together is the lesser of two evils here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

JRut,

If this was a perfect world that would work but there were a lot of blarges at the D1 men's level last season. It can't be a block and a charge...it has to be one or the other. We would love for officials to be more patient and work in their primary but blarges are going to happen and IMO getting together is the lesser of two evils here.

There are a lot of blarges in D1 men's because the officials refuse to simply raise their hands to make a simple PC foul call. They run out to call something immediately. If they stopped doing that and supervisors stopped hiring guys or never punishing them for this, then they would not have that problem. I still think it is a silly mechanic to choose and put more responsibility on officials to avoid such situations is better. Just an opinion.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If this was a perfect world that would work but there were a lot of blarges at the D1 men's level last season. It can't be a block and a charge...it has to be one or the other. We would love for officials to be more patient and work in their primary but blarges are going to happen and IMO getting together is the lesser of two evils here.

Yup. In the immortal words of Mother Teresa... "Sh!t happens!" And it happened to some of the better D1 guys last year too. You just have to adjudicate the play by the ruleset being used.

[Welpe]

And cue JAR in 5...4...3...2...1...

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if officials would just raise their hand we would not have to worry about this.

Peace

Originally Posted by Welpe

And cue JAR in 5...4...3...2...1...

I wasn't gonna, but since you asked.

My question is always that even if the officials did simply raise a hand, isn't that still "calling a foul"?

True, the whole world doesn't know what each official's call was at this point, but I see nothing written anywhere which says that a preliminary signal makes any call any more binding and irreversible.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I wasn't gonna, but since you asked.

My question is always that even if the officials did simply raise a hand, isn't that still "calling a foul"?

True, the whole world doesn't know what each official's call was at this point, but I see nothing written anywhere which says that a preliminary signal makes any call any more binding and irreversible.

4.19.8 Situation C (last year's casebook) says so.

"One officials calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1."

I would think that would be hard to do without a preliminary signal.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

4.19.8 Situation C (last year's casebook) says so.

"One officials calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1."

I would think that would be hard to do without a preliminary signal.

Peace

Why? You go up with a fist. Your partner does likewise. You know you what your call was going to be and so does he. It is not that unusual for you and your partner to have different calls on the same play. But it's okay to only report one of them unless you gave conflicting preliminary signals.

Where is this written?

nowhere

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Why? You go up with a fist. Your partner does likewise. You know you what your call was going to be and so does he. It is not that unusual for you and your partner to have different calls on the same play. But it's okay to only report one of them unless you gave conflicting preliminary signals.

Where is this written?

nowhere

We do a lot of things that are not written. If everything was spelled out explicitly all the time, you would not have room to change.

And it is writing the interpretation. If that is not good enough for you that is fine, but it is written. Maybe not the way you would like it to be, but you cannot have two different calls unless you tell them. Unless the NF or NCAA expects you to read minds we have to determine somehow there were two different calls. I think we are a long way from getting a reliable machine to tell what officials are actually thinking without a signal.

Peace

[zeedonk]

Been busy today- not ignoring everyone.

Flipping the index cards in my head reveals that watching a game before mine over the summer had a blarge and one of the refs hanging around commented that the blarge should go like this- Tweet- double whistle, different fouls- come together and discuss, if neither backs off the call, you have a blarge which is administered as a foul for each and only 1 foul shot (if shot was missed).

I know that this was wrong, but I haven't been in the book for awhile, so I didn't exactly recall what the proper adminsitration was. Of course, now I've been back in the book and found the correct administration.

Perhaps it is also a difference in NCAAW and NCAAM, but then again, it's never always 100% clear during AAU ball which rules we are using. If I recall correctly, it was a girls tourney, using some NCAAW rules.

Z

[jritchie]

It happens in D-1 more because they are trying to look good first and not worry about proper mechanics! I'm with Rut, if they would do what they are taught, it wouldn't happen nearly as much as it has been.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by jritchie

It happens in D-1 more because they are trying to look good first and not worry about proper mechanics! I'm with Rut, if they would do what they are taught, it wouldn't happen nearly as much as it has been.

Trying to look good first...where did you get this from?