Rule Changes/POEs for 2010-2011

[grunewar]

2010-11 NFHS Rule Changes

[chseagle]

Concerning 6-1-2, I am closely watching who has possession of the ball. If I sound the horn after the ball is in control of the player (happens rarely) I wave it off and mention to the table-side official inadvertant horn.

Though this clarifies more, that once the ball is in the hands of a player, no horn should sound.

The only concern I can see concerning the rule changes is: 3-3-1a NOTE; 4-34-2: Clarified that when a substitute is not properly reported, the players in the game at the conclusion of the quarter/when the time-out was granted shall begin play for the new quarter/after the time-out. During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel for the purpose of penalizing unsporting behavior. As coaches seem to find a way to get the players in though not reported in/

Everything else listed seems to be common sense.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning 6-1-2, I am closely watching who has possession of the ball. If I sound the horn after the ball is in control of the player (happens rarely) I wave it off and mention to the table-side official inadvertant horn.

Though this clarifies more, that once the ball is in the hands of a player, no horn should sound.

Everything else listed seems to be common sense.

Unfortunately, that clarification has got dick-all to do with the ball being in the hands of the player. There is a big difference between a ball being at the disposal of a player versus a player holding the ball. One does not equal the other.

Further, there is no player control by rule either during a throw-in, even though the thrower may be holding the ball.

Common sense says that you should closely watch for the administering official to start a visual count on a throw-in or free throw. Once they do so, don't blow the horn.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning 6-1-2, I am closely watching who has possession of the ball. If I sound the horn after the ball is in control of the player (happens rarely) I wave it off and mention to the table-side official inadvertant horn.

Though this clarifies more, that once the ball is in the hands of a player, no horn should sound.

IMO, the horn should (almost) never sound for subs. In any event, this clarification should be no change for the table.

The only concern I can see concerning the rule changes is: 3-3-1a NOTE; 4-34-2: Clarified that when a substitute is not properly reported, the players in the game at the conclusion of the quarter/when the time-out was granted shall begin play for the new quarter/after the time-out. During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel for the purpose of penalizing unsporting behavior. As coaches seem to find a way to get the players in though not reported in/

What's the concern here? It's not a change -- too many coaches would send an asssistant to the table with subs during a quarter break ("we'll be going with the starters"). This was not in accordance with the rule. The table is always supposed to keep track of who is in the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, the horn should (almost) never sound for subs. In any event, this clarification should be no change for the table.



What's the concern here? It's not a change -- too many coaches would send an asssistant to the table with subs during a quarter break ("we'll be going with the starters"). This was not in accordance with the rule. The table is always supposed to keep track of who is in the game.

Concerning the horn, I don't sound it unless the ball is dead. Concerning the horn "never" sounding for subs, how many officials watch the table during dead balls for subs?

I've been working more each season to minimize the horn usage. It's just having good sense of what's going on all around, instead of just in front of a person.

Bob, I can see the sense in this change as all players NEED to report to the table in order to be properly recorded in the book.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the horn, I don't sound it unless the ball is dead. Concerning the horn "never" sounding for subs, how many officials watch the table during dead balls for subs?

If I don't take a quick glance at the table for subs at dead balls, and happen to miss one, my evaluators will have my a$$.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by grunewar

If I don't take a quick glance at the table for subs at dead balls, and happen to miss one, my evaluators will have my a$$.

Always check the "triangle" partner, partner, table.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Always check the "triangle" partner, partner, table.

Never heard of it referred to like this before, but me likey!

Filed away for later use.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Take a quick glance at the table for subs at dead balls.

Standard operating procedure here in my little corner of Connecticut.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=chseagle;691704]Concerning the horn, I don't sound it unless the ball is dead. Concerning the horn "never" sounding for subs, how many officials watch the table during dead balls for subs?[quote]

They all should.

Bob, I can see the sense in this change as all players NEED to report to the table in order to be properly recorded in the book.

Again, it's not a change. It's just a reminder that the break between quearters is different from the break between halves -- when a coach *can* make the line-up changes without the player reporting to the table.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the horn, I don't sound it unless the ball is dead. Concerning the horn "never" sounding for subs, how many officials watch the table during dead balls for subs?

All of them, in games that I work. 99+% of the time, I have a whistle before the table even thinks about blowing a horn.

At least once a year, I have someone on the table tell me I *cannot* bring subs in until they've properly reported and are squatting on the X. Right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

All of them, in games that I work. 99+% of the time, I have a whistle before the table even thinks about blowing a horn.

At least once a year, I have someone on the table tell me I *cannot* bring subs in until they've properly reported and are squatting on the X. Right.

In my first season working HS ball, I had an overzealous table guy try to tell me the same thing when he got my attention to inform me a sub had come in too early. Pretty sure he was trying to get a T for the opponent (suburban public v catholic school rivalry sophomore game).

[Stat-Man]

Does any one have an opinion on the POE where teams can no longer do full court warm-ups during pregame or halftime?

That's gonna catch some coaches by surprise this year, methinks.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

All of them, in games that I work. 99+% of the time, I have a whistle before the table even thinks about blowing a horn.

At least once a year, I have someone on the table tell me I *cannot* bring subs in until they've properly reported and are squatting on the X. Right.

Concerning subs coming in, all the games I've done as book (as official book), they had to be in front of me in order to report in. In all the games where I've been clock/scoreboaord, I'm asking the official book if they recorded that player.

Some of the times when doing C-Squad games, I've seen some officials (of course newer officials) that rarely pay attention to the table.

What really annoys me is when bench personnel yell "Sub" when the official(s) are looking at the table &/or the horn has sounded.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning subs coming in, all the games I've done as book (as official book), they had to be in front of me in order to report in. In all the games where I've been clock/scoreboaord, I'm asking the official book if they recorded that player.

Some of the times when doing C-Squad games, I've seen some officials (of course newer officials) that rarely pay attention to the table.

What really annoys me is when bench personnel yell "Sub" when the official(s) are looking at the table &/or the horn has sounded.

What really annoys me is when, as I'm handing the ball to the thrower, the coach yells "sub," then sends his sub to the table while the table hits the horn.