Too quick?

[grunewar]

I agree this may have been a quick trigger, but I am also looking at it from the angle - did the adult on the bench hear the warning to the HC?

If he did hear the warning, he probably knew what was coming and STILL chose to run his yapper just one last time.....and while unfortunate, the WHACK may have been ok IMO. Coach has to control his bench. Period.

[Da Official]

I have no problem with this T. A player or an assistant does not get the privledge to show us up.

Now had the HC been the one complaining and we warned the HC and he got that last little remark in then I probably would have let it go depending on how he said it. If he used flailing arms, yelling, putting on a show, etc. I would have popped him though.

[tref]

Originally Posted by da official

i have no problem with this t. A player or an assistant does not get the privledge to show us up.

now had the hc been the one complaining and we warned the hc and he got that last little remark in then i probably would have let it go depending on how he said it. if he used flailing arms, yelling, putting on a show, etc. I would have popped him though.

+1

[bainsey]

Let's see, Scrapper. You tell the head coach to take care of it or you will, and the assistant responds by giving you an order. So, you took care of it.

You were right the first time. The assistant didn't give the head coach a chance.

[bob jenkins]

All these threads on the timing of Ts remind me of George Carlin's "those who drive slower than you are idiots; those who drive faster than you are morons."

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

George Carlin's .... those who drive faster than you are morons."

Not for nothing, but "maniacs" was actually the word Carlin used.

Y'know, I'm still waiting for the organ grinder/monkey analogy here.

[Raymond]

The 'T' was well-earned and probably came too late

However, I personally don't like "Take care of him or I will." . I have supervisors who most assuredly would not be happy with that statement.

I know I would not like it if a head coach were to tell me to "Take care of it..." when discussing a play with me.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The 'T' was well-earned and probably came too late

However, I personally don't like "Take care of him or I will." . I have supervisors who most assuredly would not be happy with that statement.

I know I would not like it if a head coach were to tell me to "Take care of it..." when discussing a play with me.

That's interesting and a different perspective. I want to remain respectful of the coach and his authority, but at the same time he needs to understand that bench behavior is his responsibility until/unless it becomes ours. I've used a variation of the above so I'm curious to know how you would handle a similar situation (i.e., what you would say to the coach).

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Rufus

That's interesting and a different perspective. I want to remain respectful of the coach and his authority, but at the same time he needs to understand that bench behavior is his responsibility until/unless it becomes ours. I've used a variation of the above so I'm curious to know how you would handle a similar situation (i.e., what you would say to the coach).

I absolutely believe the T was warranted here. On the respectful note, All I have ever had to say to the HC is "Coach can you help me with your bench?" and I make a motion toward the player or person I am concerned with.

It seems to work well.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rufus

That's interesting and a different perspective. I want to remain respectful of the coach and his authority, but at the same time he needs to understand that bench behavior is his responsibility until/unless it becomes ours. I've used a variation of the above so I'm curious to know how you would handle a similar situation (i.e., what you would say to the coach).

Depending on situation/mood/comments:

1) To the HC I'll say something like "your assistants don't have the same privileges you have" or "Coach, we'll listen to you but your assistants need to quit commenting"

or

2) I'll tell the assistant directly that we've had enough of his comments.

Other than directing a coach to return to the coaching box I try my best not to tell a coach what to do.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The 'T' was well-earned and probably came too late

However, I personally don't like "Take care of him or I will." . I have supervisors who most assuredly would not be happy with that statement.

I know I would not like it if a head coach were to tell me to "Take care of it..." when discussing a play with me.

What would you think if you responded with, "Coach, can you help me out with your AC?"

Seems that camps I have been to have recommended this approach for talking to coaches about players, but I cannot recall if there has been much discussion about AC and using this approach.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see your answer already...helps if I read through the whole thread first.