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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

On the other hand, if there are fewer players in the book than there are players warming up, then we address this issue with the scorekeeper.

What issue?

What rule is being broken that you have to address?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What issue?

What rule is being broken that you have to address?

I was very late to the following discussion, but BillyMac's question (more players warming up than are in the book) reminded of this thread, which addressed the opposite problem (more players in the book than warming up):

Submitting the roster before the game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I was very late to the following discussion, but BillyMac's question (more players warming up than are in the book) reminded of this thread, which addressed the opposite problem (more players in the book than warming up):

Submitting the roster before the game

It reminded me of that thread also, as did Billy's essay on administrative infractions.

Which is kinda why I asked the questions above that haven't been answered yet.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

More players in the book than warming up: Submitting the roster before the game

Scrapper1: You had to resurrect this situation. I got that question wrong on the IAABO Refresher Exam, and I'm still pissed about it. I remember it like it was yesterday.

When I was coaching middle school basketball, all fourteen players were listed, in numerical order, in the scorebook for all games, injured, ill, absent, suspension, etc. I would write in the roster several games in advance. Just wanted to be sure that we never got a technical foul for adding name and number to the book.

[just another ref]

We have had a couple of threads on the dunk thing, and some of us (I) say, if he is in uniform and warming up with the team, if he dunks it is a technical foul, no matter who he is.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If he is in uniform and warming up with the team, if he dunks it is a technical foul, no matter who he is.

Junior varsity player, in uniform, identical to the varsity uniforms, decides to join in the varsity layup line and dunks the ball. His name and number are not listed in the scorebook for the varsity game.

Is he a player? No. Is he a team member? Well, is he eligible to become a player? His name and number are not on the roster in the scorebook, but we all know that he can have his name added to the roster and scorebook if he becomes a player at the expense of a technical foul. Of course, anyone in the gym, in uniform, from the freshman team on up, could get into the game at the expense of a technical foul. Does that mean that they're all eligible to become players, and, therefore, team members, who can be called for technical foul if they dunk pregame?

Just asking. As with bench personnel (team chaplain) dunking, or for that matter, just warming up, I've got questions, and no answers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What rule is being broken that you have to address?

Up until the ten minute mark, no rule is being broken. In fact, if a player warming up, who is not in the book, never becomes one of the five players in the game, then no rule has been broken. If such player gets in, and out, of the game without his name and number being added to the book, then again, no rule has been broken. If however that player enters the game, and the scorekeeper adds his name and number into a book, then a technical foul must be charged while that team member is a player in the game.

Sometimes this can be avoided with some pregame preventative officiating:
Referee: "Hey scorekeeper. Why are thirteen kids warming up? There are only twelve in the book."
Scorekeeper: "I didn't know that Bobby Jones had been cleared to play by the trainer. He's been injured for two weeks. Thanks for noticing that.".
I probably go through this scenario, or something nearly like it, about two or three times a season.

Again, that's the way we do it around here. Not in the rulebook. Probably not in the manual. Nobody's doing anything wrong if they don't do it. It's just the way we've been doing it around here for, at least, the last thirty years.