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These plays are easy...if you don't know, let it go.
Will be less trouble trying to explain to a coach -- as you can see it's been hard to explain right here in this forum Unless it's an obvious violation that everyone sees/knows, it's better to pass. I'd rather pass and be wrong (and if i missed it i missed it) than to call a violation that doesnt exist. |
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Consider the illegal dribble rule in a very literal sense for a moment....
Is the action in 3 a fumble? No. It didn't accidentally slip from A1's grasp. Is the action in 3 & 4 a pass? By some interpretations here, No. Hmmm. Does that make sense. If it is not a pass, A1 can not dribble again since there was no try, no bat by an opponent, and no pass. What if this sequence of 3 & 4 continued from A2 to A3, then A3 to A4, then A4 to A5, then back from A5 to A1. If it is not a pass, then A1 stiil can't dribble again. Furthermore, what if the sequence even continued though all of team B. Still not a "bat" by an opponent, not a try. So, is it a pass? If not, A1 still can't dribble again. So, do we still think this is not a pass? Of course not. I think we'd all agree that the actions in the sequence above would allow A1 to dribble again. Therefore, the actions in 3 & 4 must be a pass. I claim that, if the ball so much as touches another player when it is not in player control, it is a pass. |
Also note that the actions described in the OP are neither a fumble nor a muff.
A fumble is accidentally losing grip on a ball that was being held...not a ball being dribbled or passed. A muff occurs when a player unsuccessfully attempts to catch a ball that was either being dribbled or passed to them. |
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A3 clearly passed the ball back, but I guess your point is that that's not the issue. I think it's relevant that another player had control, and could have dribbled himself before passing. If you're saying that the rule could be clearer I agree. I'm not sure what else follows from this case. |
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Another play: A1 with the ball, having used his dribble, attempts to hand it off to A2 as he runs by. A2 is not able to grab the ball, but knocks it away. A1 is the first to retrieve it (assume the ball bounced prior to A1's retrieval). Illegal dribble? |
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I thought you were on about my claim that a pass is intentional. I'm prepared to agree with you about the illegal dribble rule. |
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