5 second call in the backcourt

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Like I said, I'm new to how things are done outside the strict rigors of our intramural program, so maybe I'm just too young to know any better. I just know I would have been ripped by my former boss for not putting in the effort. And in those games we worked 3 game shifts for much higher levels of play. Maybe I try too hard. Who knows. To me, switching does not require a lot of effort. I wasn't expecting a switch on every single call, but a moderate number would have been sufficient. I understand that all of that takes a toll on the body. Also, running at the pace of 6th graders doesn't require you to be ready for the olympics. A light jog will put you in a great position. Those And usually the switch is anywhere from a walk to a light jog, so I don't see what the big deal is about doing it. And I've done 7 and 8 games in a day. I was a bit sore when done, but otherwise ok.

If you're lead, and you are at the free throw line extended when the action has settled in the front court, yes, I have a problem with that. Those people pay to play, so I think they deserve officials matching their effort. Maybe that's just me. I'm fine with being in the minority on that. We all volunteer the shifts that we are assigned. I think it would be pretty easy to say to the assignor, "No, I can't run for 6 game. Please only give me 3."

Yeah you are too young right now to get what others are saying or trying to convey. All I am saying is that if you are working 6 games in a row more, you will realize that you will tire out quickly. Also taking 6 games in a row is not just about the games, it is about getting them scheduled. If the assignor did not get a guy like this and others to cover those games, he/she might not get those games covered at all. And if it was a problem that the mechanics were not perfect, do you really think the assignor would give a person 6 games? Why not give everyone one game at a time? Probably because it is AAU and they know that the quality of the officials are not going to always be there considering that you are likely getting paid less than a 1/3 of what you might make during the regular season. This is summer ball, relax. There is a reason you do not get all the "regulars" working these games. And it is 6th grade kids, not much of a draw for many officials unless they want to make it worth their while and work multiple games in a row.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

8 seconds

What's that in the metric system?

[Hornets222003]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is summer ball, relax.

Peace

I didn't really mean to get all up about the switching thing. It wasn't really that big of a problem to me. It was just that he didn't bother to discuss the not switching thing with me. He just said. We're not switching. No discussion. Just a mandate. That part I can't appreciate.

Also, not all the games are 6th grade. I've done everything from 6th grade to 17 y/o there. It's just the luck of the draw depending on what they have coming in for the week.

I by no means am trying to demean a fellow official. I'm just saying that when I processed all of the rest of the information from how he officiated the rest of the games and how he communicated (or lack there of) with me, I had no real motive to question his 5 seconds in the backcourt call. I just charged it to him making a mistake. I don't know whether it was a conscious or unconscious mistake. Only he knows.

And Mr. Rutledge. When do I become old enough to understand? I don't know if I'll look forward to the day when I can no longer run at an officials pace for 6 games. That would mean that I could probably only play 2 or 3. I think that means I'm over the hump!

[Hornets222003]

Also, I understand that all of the A-team officials only lace up their sneakers for the big times, and that I'm on the C team at the moment. I'll get there one day!

[26 Year Gap]

I try to use AAU to work on things like positioning or a particular type of call I have to improve upon. Switching on fouls does NOT always occur unless it is a crew of 3. If the trail calls one in the backcourt, he stays trail. If the trail calls one in the forecourt, he stays trail. If the lead calls one and it is a shooting foul, he usually will come out to be the new trail. If there has not been a switch in awhile, one might occur on a violation or sideline OOB throw-in. If I am doing 2-3 games only, then I am more apt to switch more often. Otherwise, I am trying to save my legs. 6 is the absolute limit for me and if it is younger kids for the last game, I am very thankful.

I have modified my stance on the number of games and absolute mechanics over the years. The important thing is to give your best effort. And you might even pick up a tip or two that you can incorporate into your game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I sureashell don't want to resurrect that long thread that just ended a while ago on the same subject, the topic was beaten to death.

Jurassic Referee: Sorry. It had to be done:

The Forum's opinion:
"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

My personal take on this matter:
http://forum.officiating.com/680359-post173.html

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

I didn't really mean to get all up about the switching thing. It wasn't really that big of a problem to me. It was just that he didn't bother to discuss the not switching thing with me. He just said. We're not switching. No discussion. Just a mandate. That part I can't appreciate.

You are the younger (lesser experience) official right? You have not been around that long right? I think there was another post by someone that talked about the politics of this. What are you going to do if he refuses? I do not recall that you even questioned it, you listened to what he said (based on what you told us) and went with it. Now what?

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Also, not all the games are 6th grade. I've done everything from 6th grade to 17 y/o there. It's just the luck of the draw depending on what they have coming in for the week.

Even more reason to not go crazy over this situation.

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

I by no means am trying to demean a fellow official. I'm just saying that when I processed all of the rest of the information from how he officiated the rest of the games and how he communicated (or lack there of) with me, I had no real motive to question his 5 seconds in the backcourt call. I just charged it to him making a mistake. I don't know whether it was a conscious or unconscious mistake. Only he knows.

I did not take the issue as demeaning the official at all. You raised an honest and reasonable question as it relates to the rule. He probably works Women's college and applied a rule to that level. I have even heard of some girl's AAU using those rules as well. But I guess that depends on what tournament and the circumstances of the tournament.

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

And Mr. Rutledge. When do I become old enough to understand? I don't know if I'll look forward to the day when I can no longer run at an officials pace for 6 games. That would mean that I could probably only play 2 or 3. I think that means I'm over the hump!

When you realize that summer is completely different than winter basketball and always will be. The players are playing multiple games in a day. Do you know any regular season games where that is likely the case other than a holiday tournament? I know I cannot think of many. Even the Holiday Tournaments there is one game at a time and not one court next to another. Did you get dressed in full uniform too? There are so many things different about the summer time I would be here a lot longer trying to explain them to you or anyone.

I like your enthusiasm to get things right and to do what you feel is right. But my point is stop trying to make the summer time the same as the regular season and you like others will finally understand what this how it is different.

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Also, I understand that all of the A-team officials only lace up their sneakers for the big times, and that I'm on the C team at the moment. I'll get there one day!

The only big games in the summer are games you are working at camp and you are being evaluated or trying to get hired. Some AAU tournament where most officials are seeing ball they may never see during the regular season is not on that level. Talk to me when you work bigger games in the regular season and then come back here and share your opinions on switching on every foul.

Peace

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's that in the metric system?

Well, 8 seconds are, let me see...

Ah, yes! They are 8 seconds.

Ciao

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Well, 8 seconds are, let me see...

Ah, yes! They are 8 seconds.

Ciao

Whew. I thought there were 10 DeciMinutes per Minute, thus making 8 "Standard" seconds something along the lines of 1.33 DeciMinutes.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Whew. I thought there were 10 DeciMinutes per Minute, thus making 8 "Standard" seconds something along the lines of 1.33 DeciMinutes.

Don't tell Mark Padgett, it's a French thing.

Ciao

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I thought there were 10 DeciMinutes per Minute, thus making 8 "Standard" seconds something along the lines of 1.33 DeciMinutes.

Is it time for dinner yet?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Don't tell Mark Padgett, it's a French thing.

Ciao

The most expensive cheeseburger I have ever had was in Italy ($28 but I was two tables over from Sting - the singer not the rassler) and I asked a waiter in Grenoble (FR) if I could have grilled steak tar tar!! The French have no sense of humor, but I did tell him I LOVED their fries, bread and toast!

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Judtech

The most expensive cheeseburger I have ever had was in Italy ($28 but I was two tables over from Sting - the singer not the rassler)

Why on earth would anybody eat a cheeseburger in Italy? You just had what you deserved.

Ciao

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

why on earth would anybody eat a cheeseburger in italy? :d you just had what you deserved.

ciao

+1

[IREFU2]

Most girls games in AAU use NCAA-W rules and mechanics. So, if it was a held ball, within 3 feet, then thats probably what he was doing.