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Jurassic Referee Wed Jun 09, 2010 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 681103)
And I would rather see the players adjust and stop fouling.

Heresy!

Heresy, I tell ya!

It's easier to blame the officials. :D

just another ref Wed Jun 09, 2010 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 681068)
In any NBA final game:
1) the losing team and their local papers & fans will say that they lost because of the officials.
2) the winning team and their local papers and fans will say they won in spite of the officials.

This can apply at ANY level.

bainsey Wed Jun 09, 2010 07:51pm

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Originally Posted by AustinRef (Post 681082)
I am definitely in the wrong profession if that guy got paid to write that article. Great piece of journalism!

That ain't journalism, Tex. It's just an opinion piece, nothing more.

I'm open-minded to eliminating the foul-out rule in favor of two-shots-and-the-ball, etc., but I still have a feeling that, were it put in place, contact would signficantly increase, and we would all regret such a move.

The thing that threw me off last night, though, was the block call on the play shown in the photo. All I could see was LGP, and it just makes it more difficult for us when we make charge calls on obvious plays like that.

And the writer wants a no-call? Why should the defense get punished for having LGP and getting leveled?

grunewar Wed Jun 09, 2010 07:52pm

This Just In......
 
And so it goes......

Doc Rivers of Boston Celtics complains about refereeing, sends videotape to league office - ESPN

APG Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:50pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 681142)
That ain't journalism, Tex. It's just an opinion piece, nothing more.

I'm open-minded to eliminating the foul-out rule in favor of two-shots-and-the-ball, etc., but I still have a feeling that, were it put in place, contact would signficantly increase, and we would all regret such a move.

The thing that threw me off last night, though, was the block call on the play shown in the photo. All I could see was LGP, and it just makes it more difficult for us when we make charge calls on obvious plays like that.

And the writer wants a no-call? Why should the defense get punished for having LGP and getting leveled?

Are you talking about the play in the photo with Derek Fisher and Ray Allen? Cause Bill Kennedy most definitely came in with a charge from the lead position.

Judtech Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:07pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 681103)
And I would rather see the players adjust and stop fouling.

Well if we don't call it then it is not a foul!!!:p

grunewar Thu Jun 10, 2010 06:16am

Sounds like this forum.......
 
from the article:

"A dribbler drives, a defender steps in, both fall, and one or the other is charged with a foul, even though, if a thousand refs were polled, 500 would call "block" and 500 would call "charge."

OK, so maybe it would be 501-499 here. :p

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 10, 2010 06:50am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 681181)
from the article:

"A dribbler drives, a defender steps in, both fall, and one or the other is charged with a foul, even though, if a thousand refs were polled, 500 would call "block" and 500 would call "charge."

OK, so maybe it would be 501-499 here. :p

If the dribbler was Kobe Bryant and the defender was Joe Benchwarmer, the poll of NBA refs goes up to 999 "blocks" and "Joey Crawford". :p

bainsey Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:06am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 681154)
Are you talking about the play in the photo with Derek Fisher and Ray Allen? Cause Bill Kennedy most definitely came in with a charge from the lead position.

I could have my plays crossed. There was one similar to the photo where there was clearly LGP, yet a block was called on the Lakers. It really got to me, and I'm a Celtics' fan.

When such things are called blocks, it makes it more difficult on us, especially fighting the mentality that charging fouls rip off the offense. It's almost like a charge is some silly taboo in some people's minds.

Adam Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:22am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 681143)

Why do they bother sending tape? Do they think the league office doesn't have a copy?

grunewar Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:27am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 681194)
Why do they bother sending tape? Do they think the league office doesn't have a copy?

These "public announcements" by coaches and players are getting totally out of hand. Phil Jackson's been doing it like, forever. Just trying to "game" the officials and get that one critical call to go their way........

Adam Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:29am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 681196)
These "public announcements" by coaches and players are getting totally out of hand. Phil Jackson's been doing it like, forever. Just trying to "game" the officials and get that one critical call to go their way........

I know. I just thought it was funny that they're sending a tape. It's like giving Jay Leno a car.

APG Thu Jun 10, 2010 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 681190)
I could have my plays crossed. There was one similar to the photo where there was clearly LGP, yet a block was called on the Lakers. It really got to me, and I'm a Celtics' fan.

When such things are called blocks, it makes it more difficult on us, especially fighting the mentality that charging fouls rip off the offense. It's almost like a charge is some silly taboo in some people's minds.

You're probably thinking about the play where Derek Fisher tried to take a charge on Rajon Rando. I believe it was on a fastbreak. I agree that Fisher had his torso in Rando's straight line path, but at the last second, Rando stepped and jump to the side and Fisher took the contact more in the side. I agreed with the blocking foul that was called.

MD Longhorn Thu Jun 10, 2010 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 681143)

Videotape? Do people still use those?

just another ref Thu Jun 10, 2010 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 681378)
Videotape? Do people still use those?

Warner Wolf does.


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