"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That thread actually relates very little to this one. I never used the words good and bad. I said I stepped up and made most of the calls, which was already obvious to the people at the game. Whether any of us were good or bad is a matter of opinion.

Good or bad was not part of the criticism. Your selling out your partners was. I know, I know, you do not want to address that part at all now do you?

Originally Posted by just another ref

This issue at hand was criticizing another official for lack of hustle and declaring oneself better. (perfect)

Not surprisingly, this prompted me to recall your post:

What I find interesting, you only showed my response, not the entire thread. Why? Do you have some issue to hide? Do you not want to show the context of the entire conversation? JR pointed out all your comments, not just one or two.

Secondly my criticism of this official was based on an unrealistic expectation. He wanted officials to run and hustle for multiple games (which he misrepresented, then had to backtrack) just like it was a regular game during summer ball mostly during live ball. He even showed assignor’s expectations which did not include his personal standards. This was pointed out by many people, not just me. And in many cases my opinions were rather mild. I did not call him a liar or accuse him of trying to be perfect. I did say to him if he were to work these games and be evaluated, would he have perfect mechanics at all times? I said that I do not believe he did what he said and stand by that statement. And other than your comments about me everyone pretty much agreed with that opinion directly or indirectly.

Your play you claimed you could not get back and make the play. I just came from a college camp this past weekend. There were multiple (if not every) officials that were totally capable to get back and make calls. So if I am perfect, there are a lot of officials perfect. And they are in shape (in some cases better shape than me) have no problem making those types of calls. And you have never heard a single person here that has seen me officiate ever claim I cannot get up and down the court and make plays like we talked about in that thread. Certainly not the kids that I was talking about. Hell if I can run with adults like I did today and "receive the play" as the lead, I think 16 and 17 year old are not a problem. And I am not even in my best shape as I was during the past basketball season and I can keep up rather well. That does not require perfection, that just requires knowledge and getting in shape to keep up. I am certainly not alone there. Maybe you are like a lot of guys that complain what they cannot do and never work hard enough to get to that point. I really do not know, but you were making excuses and I called you on it.

Originally Posted by just another ref

The above post being made even though speed, position, and hustle, or the lack thereof, had absolutely no bearing on the call which was made.

I just report the facts.

Actually your speed, positioning and hustle matters a lot during plays. And if it did not matter to coaches, they would not comment on it when officials are not in the right spot. It not only matters to getting plays right, it also matters to the perception when you are not in the best position in many cases. It is not the only thing, but it is a big thing. Then again, you are just another ref. Not a spectacular one.

And the sad part of all of this is you sound like a little girl that did not win the argument the last time and tried to morph this conversation into that one. I have no problem playing that game, because you have nothing more than a couple of words you think do not add up.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hell if I can run with adults like I did today and "receive the play" as the lead, I think 16 and 17 year old are not a problem.

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

It is not entirely difficult if you are in the right position to begin with. Then again, I know who I am talking to.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not entirely difficult if you are in the right position to begin with. Then again, I know who I am talking to.

Peace

The right position. OK. And you think it is advantageous to be ahead of a play like this one?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The right position. OK. And you think it is advantageous to be ahead of a play like this one?

Of course not. They expect the Lead to be behind all plays. Which is why they call it the Lead position.

I should use blue font somewhere to get the point across.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Of course not. They expect the Lead to be behind all plays. Which is why they call it the Lead position.

I should use blue font somewhere to get the point across.

Peace

What if a guy releases early, or snowbirds and never comes down at all? You get ahead of them too? Gee, Rut, I stand corrected. You are perfect.

For the lead to always be (or want to be) physically in the lead of the play, is not only impossible, but counterproductive.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What if a guy releases early, or snowbirds and never comes down at all? You get ahead of them too? Gee, Rut, I stand corrected. You are perfect.

For the lead to always be (or want to be) physically in the lead of the play, is not only impossible, but counterproductive.

You are still stuck on this. Really?

Here is your exact question:

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

Where did use the word “always” in this conversation? Can you show one quote where I said “always” in this situation? And it is not hard considering that a player still has to pick up the ball, then dribble and make a move to the basket. They are not always going in a straight line to the basket. It is not that hard if you can sprint. If you cannot run, then maybe it might be an issue. I can run and know others that can run and this is not a major issue for me. I did it today in many situations at an international player’s showcase where the players were all former college players trying to get pro jobs and are good athletes. I was able on many situations to beat the play to the end line. And this was on a college court and much faster than high school players. We know you are not talking about college players.

Also it is not counterproductive or the mechanics would require us to not be there most of the time. If you get beat you can get angles in other places, but there is a reason the mechanics wants you ahead of the play in most situations. If I recall (and I really have not been thinking about this conversation since you just brought it up), you said you could not ever get to the end line. Now maybe that says something about your physical abilities or maybe your fitness level. Because I saw many officials last weekend get to the spot several times.

Then again, you are just another ref, so I would not expect you to get that concept at all. You are still stuck on something I said months ago and worried about what I think about it today. Worry about what you do and hope it works out for you. I do what works for me and it definitely works for me.

Peace