"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You realize that all the refs who don't know the #1 rule could suffer greatly.

I know of one boxer that seems to not mind this rule as much.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know of one boxer that seems to not mind this rule as much.

Peace

Really? I'm not sure what the US Senator from CA has to do with this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And the funny part he went to people in the game and sold out his partner. Wow!!! That is something I would never do or even share. I do not go around telling partners or coaches how bad I feel my partner is.

Didn't "go to" anybody. Didn't sell out anybody. (others disagree) Definitely didn't say anybody was bad.

When I make a mistake, I don't care who tells it or who knows about it. Post it here. Print it in the paper. Announce it on the PA during the game. I can handle it.

Rut said that when DLH criticized other officials, it meant he thought he was perfect. Rut's interpretations of things are often, uh, interesting.

But, when I was discussing a call, getting the call right, etc. Rut chimed in with his assessment that we were out of position, and that he could keep up with 17 years olds because he hustles and is in great shape. This sounds close to a declaration of perfection to me.

Seemed like an eerie coincidence.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Seemed like an eerie coincidence.

I would much rather be accused of what you are saying about me, then be a partner that sells out my partners like you did in the post that JR pointed out. You will never find someone that thinks I did that to them and I have been the "veteran" on many crews. Maybe that is where you are in your career and the people you work for cannot trust you to be in that situation very often. I am assigned many times to be that official and you do not see me coming here talking about how bad my partners are and how good I am, as you did in the “Vote of Confidence” thread.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I decided not to respond because it is pointless talking to you.

and then.......

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And the funny part he went to people in the game and sold out his partner. Wow!!! That is something I would never do or even share. I do not go around telling partners or coaches how bad I feel my partner is. I only talk about partners to very close people or if asked by assignors that assigned the game what I might think. I do not even like selling out someone in a camp setting if I am the only one there doing the evaluations and the people they are trying to work for are not there.

There is a big difference between talking about something here and referencing things people tell you, then going to my real life officiating and selling out partners or acting like an azz because an official does not work like I do. Good Lord and JAR is on me about what I said about him? Really, that is funny. No wonder I ignore his threads normally.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would much rather be accused of what you are saying about me, then be a partner that sells out my partners like you did in the post that JR pointed out. You will never find someone that thinks I did that to them and I have been the "veteran" on many crews. Maybe that is where you are in your career and the people you work for cannot trust you to be in that situation very often. I am assigned many times to be that official and you do not see me coming here talking about how bad my partners are and how good I am, as you did in the “Vote of Confidence” thread.

Peace

[JRutledge]

I decided not to respond to an old post you dumbazz. This I have no problem responding to because you were called out for something while trying to live on your high horse. And you had many officials call you out for your position back in January. But I noticed you did not respond to my claims. They must be true based on your logic. Or will you go away from this thread and not answer those claims?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I decided not to respond to an old post you dumbazz. This I have no problem responding to because you were called out for something while trying to live on your high horse. And you had many officials call you out for your position back in January. But I noticed you did not respond to my claims. They must be true based on your logic. Or will you go away from this thread and not answer those claims?

Peace

That thread actually relates very little to this one. I never used the words good and bad. I said I stepped up and made most of the calls, which was already obvious to the people at the game. Whether any of us were good or bad is a matter of opinion.

This issue at hand was criticizing another official for lack of hustle and declaring oneself better. (perfect)

Not surprisingly, this prompted me to recall your post:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....if you cannot keep up with kids that are 17 year old and you are beat that badly, it is time to find some other level to work. ....I am in great shape and I hustle often...

The above post being made even though speed, position, and hustle, or the lack thereof, had absolutely no bearing on the call which was made.

I just report the facts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Rut said that when DLH criticized other officials, it meant he thought he was perfect. Rut's interpretations of things are often, uh, interesting.

I'm sorry, are you talking to Rut, or about Rut? Seriously, I turned off right about here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That thread actually relates very little to this one. I never used the words good and bad. I said I stepped up and made most of the calls, which was already obvious to the people at the game. Whether any of us were good or bad is a matter of opinion.

Good or bad was not part of the criticism. Your selling out your partners was. I know, I know, you do not want to address that part at all now do you?

Originally Posted by just another ref

This issue at hand was criticizing another official for lack of hustle and declaring oneself better. (perfect)

Not surprisingly, this prompted me to recall your post:

What I find interesting, you only showed my response, not the entire thread. Why? Do you have some issue to hide? Do you not want to show the context of the entire conversation? JR pointed out all your comments, not just one or two.

Secondly my criticism of this official was based on an unrealistic expectation. He wanted officials to run and hustle for multiple games (which he misrepresented, then had to backtrack) just like it was a regular game during summer ball mostly during live ball. He even showed assignor’s expectations which did not include his personal standards. This was pointed out by many people, not just me. And in many cases my opinions were rather mild. I did not call him a liar or accuse him of trying to be perfect. I did say to him if he were to work these games and be evaluated, would he have perfect mechanics at all times? I said that I do not believe he did what he said and stand by that statement. And other than your comments about me everyone pretty much agreed with that opinion directly or indirectly.

Your play you claimed you could not get back and make the play. I just came from a college camp this past weekend. There were multiple (if not every) officials that were totally capable to get back and make calls. So if I am perfect, there are a lot of officials perfect. And they are in shape (in some cases better shape than me) have no problem making those types of calls. And you have never heard a single person here that has seen me officiate ever claim I cannot get up and down the court and make plays like we talked about in that thread. Certainly not the kids that I was talking about. Hell if I can run with adults like I did today and "receive the play" as the lead, I think 16 and 17 year old are not a problem. And I am not even in my best shape as I was during the past basketball season and I can keep up rather well. That does not require perfection, that just requires knowledge and getting in shape to keep up. I am certainly not alone there. Maybe you are like a lot of guys that complain what they cannot do and never work hard enough to get to that point. I really do not know, but you were making excuses and I called you on it.

Originally Posted by just another ref

The above post being made even though speed, position, and hustle, or the lack thereof, had absolutely no bearing on the call which was made.

I just report the facts.

Actually your speed, positioning and hustle matters a lot during plays. And if it did not matter to coaches, they would not comment on it when officials are not in the right spot. It not only matters to getting plays right, it also matters to the perception when you are not in the best position in many cases. It is not the only thing, but it is a big thing. Then again, you are just another ref. Not a spectacular one.

And the sad part of all of this is you sound like a little girl that did not win the argument the last time and tried to morph this conversation into that one. I have no problem playing that game, because you have nothing more than a couple of words you think do not add up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm sorry, are you talking to Rut, or about Rut? Seriously, I turned off right about here.

Maybe he should have used blue font.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe he should have used blue font.

Peace

Ha! He's referring to you as if you're in a debate with an audience.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hell if I can run with adults like I did today and "receive the play" as the lead, I think 16 and 17 year old are not a problem.

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ha! He's referring to you as if you're in a debate with an audience.

I know. That is what is so sad.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So you're saying that if you're the trail in two man, and the ball is knocked loose at the division line into the backcourt, then B1 and B2 sprint after it and one picks it up at the 3 pt line and takes it to the basket, you would outrun everybody and get ahead and "receive the play" as the new lead?

It is not entirely difficult if you are in the right position to begin with. Then again, I know who I am talking to.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not entirely difficult if you are in the right position to begin with. Then again, I know who I am talking to.

Peace

The right position. OK. And you think it is advantageous to be ahead of a play like this one?