intentional vs flagrant

[Mark Padgett]

I've always used the following guidelines for determining if a foul was flagrant. If the fouling player displayed an intent to injure or showed an utter disregard for the safety of the player he fouled, then it's flagrant.

I know these determinations are still subjective, but I think that the more experience you have, the more qualified you will be to make a decision on whether or not the foul met those guidelines based on all the play you've seen over the years and the context of that particular foul.

As the saying goes, there's no substitute for experience. At least, that's what the sexy lady down on the corner tells me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

As the saying goes, there's no substitute for experience. At least, that's what the sexy lady down on the corner tells me.

I'm guessing experience has made her less sexy.

[Ptflea2]

Thanks Snaqwells. Lets hope I don't have to call either in my men's league tonight.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Ptflea2

Thanks Snaqwells. Lets hope I don't have to call either in my men's league tonight.

Embrace the opportunity to handle these situations in the off-season should they arise. When they come up in sanctioned games, your experience will make you look as good as gold!

[Judtech]

Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT"

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT"

I can understand how you might have been confused. The other day, a friend of mine said he was using "innuendo", and I thought he meant an Italian suppository.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Situation A: Team A is shooting the first of 2 FT's. B1 loudly passes gas. Would this be a 'fragrant foul'? What if A1 passed the gas, yet you couldn't hear it?
Sorry long day, and when I first looked at the post I actually thought it said "intentional vs FRAGRANT"

I understand you were being humorous, but, let's use this as an opp to point out what could be considered "coercion". If the noise didn't distract the shooter, I'm sure the change in odor gradient would.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I understand you were being humorous, but, let's use this as an opp to point out what could be considered "coercion". If the noise didn't distract the shooter, I'm sure the change in odor gradient would.

Very good point. What would the reporting mechanic look like? Would you make a waving motion behind you or plug your nose? Are these mechanics different in NFHS, NCAA - M, NCAA - W and IAABO? Would the PA play the clip from Holy Grail "I fart in your general direction"?

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm guessing experience has made her less sexy.

I would have thought Padgett would have given this response to his own quote. Well played .